IQ needed for solving Besslers challenge?

[WaltzCee]

Thank you for the explanation.

What I suppose is once one stumbles upon the solution and all the world sees it, then the slightest of intellect will be able to see there isn't any thing encoded.

My thinking is that bessler's most significant clue was accidentally given.

The only reason I edited the previous post was because I was told I couldn't delete a post. I just did.

Who's right?

[Oystein]

I predict that Bessler`s work will one day be remembered as one of the 3 most important encoded work in history. Mostly because it also holds the key to how the other works was encoded,(not yet know as number 1 and 2) and secondly (yes secondly) it holds the key to the most exciting invention in history.

This is my prediction, and I hope I live long enough to see it happen.

IMO

[Fletcher]

I think that is what dax partially meant Oystein ..

Bessler was afraid that the wheel was very simple so that a buyer might want their money back once the secret was known. Karl knew how it worked and possibly Adam Crone.

The point is of course to discover that simplicity but it suggests that you don't have to be a genius, at least to see how easy it was, when it works. Therefore you possibly don't have to be a genius to invent it either.

On the other hand the encoding is layered and multifaceted. It might take some learning and cognitive ability to decipher it all in all its layers and complexity. You might have to be a genius to do that quickly to where you might be a grand master adept so to speak.

Ironically Bessler, from what you say, might be remembered far more commonly for his coding and your efforts relating to other historical figures, than a self moving wheel that we here are fascinated about. We are a small few in the scheme of things.

[Grimer]

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If people were sufficiently motivated, worked as a team instead of as individuals, and had the prerequisite smarts then this problem should have been solved years ago. We all know that but individual glory and wealth motivates many who would try and so go it alone. "Many heads are smarter than one". We also inherently know this to be true because we can't all know everything.
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Quite so. The trouble is that the members of this forum are all quite mad to be tackling a problem which the alleged "wisdom of modern science" says is impossible.

I was going to compare it with buying a lottery ticket but it is worse. In the case of the lottery you know that someone is going to win and it could be you albeit very, very, very unlikely.

Still, look on the bright side. The fact that we have come together in a forum demonstrates that we are not going it alone. There is member co-operation to the extent that if one makes a serious error someone is likely to point it out. This has happened to me on more than one occasion, the most egregious example was my complete misunderstanding of the workings of my Stirling motor.

And those of us who are old bold pilots should always remember, τοῖς τολμῶσιν ἡ τύχη ξύμφορος.....:-)

[Fletcher]

The axiom in flying circles:

There are old pilots and bold pilots; but no old bold pilots.


Grimer .. I do treat it as a lottery albeit like picking the winning horses on a Saturday for a given month over several meets. One day someone might just get it all right though the chances are slim indeed. Other than that it is an interesting hobby where I usually get to learn something thru interaction and exchange of ideas rather than doing endless Sudoku or Crossword puzzles that are solitary pursuits.


I am encouraged lately that more and more members are willing to openly discuss ideas and theories here, even if they lead to nowhere land at the end of the day. If that number of people increases then so does the chances of cracking this enigma because thru that exchange process a nick in the armor might be exposed that one of these people may recognize. We live in hope.

[Grimer]

There are old pilots and bold pilots; but no old bold pilots.

I am obviously well aware of that axiom. :-)
Our task is to falsify it along with that other axiom that one can't get a continuous stream of energy from the Newtonian gravity field.

[jim_mich]

People with a higher IQ understand why you can't get a continuous stream of energy from Earth's gravity field.

[justsomeone]

Lol. Arrogance and ignorance sometimes accompany a higher IQ.

[Tarsier79]

Sometimes people with a higher IQ need a raincoat in case the gravity is especially heavy.

Sometimes the gravity just blows straight through you... Brrr...

[Grimer]

Sometimes the gravity just blows straight through you... Brrr...

It wouldn't be much use if it blew straight through you, would it. :-)

It has to impinge on some infinitesimally small structure, far smaller than the nucleon structure which is impinged upon by gamma rays for example.

Think of the particles as like galleons in a widely dispersed fleet of ships. The wind blows through the fleet but impinges on the sails of each galleon.

Furthermore, because of their wide dispersal none of the ships shadow each. The wind sees them all.

Which explains why the effect of the gravitational wind is proportional to the volume, the total mass of an object and not proportional to the area - as it would be if the gravitational wind blew on the external surface and not the deep internal surfaces.

[Tarsier79]

Which explains why the effect of the gravitational wind is proportional to the volume, the total mass of an object and not proportional to the area - as it would be if the gravitational wind blew on the external surface and not the deep internal surfaces.

No it doesn't. The world is not flat, and there is not another race of people living at the center of the world.

[WaltzCee]

I just voted.
IQ is irrelevant.

[AB Hammer]

I just watched a movie called Idiocracy and besides seemingly loosing brain cell just to watch it. It seems it may be the way the world is heeded. Scary!!

I voted (All persons with an IQ of 100 and above have a fair shot)

[Grimer]

Or even headed. ;-)

[Oystein]

yes, I think we started to evolve "backwards" some years ago.

It seems like the smart like to study and work, while the dumb have time to make kids and don`t reflect so much before doing it. And both the sick and even the poor often survive and have the opportunity to spread their genes.

Some time ago, it was the smart and the healthy that made the most children that would survive.

So to keep evolving we would have to make some new "arrangements" and that is not accepted to talk about.