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Should We Seek A Solution

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I recieved the following From member Dave Robers via private mail. Below his quoted letter, you will find my response!
Good morning Ralph.
I am in Arizona now and after driving across the Country, was amazed that I saw thousands of windmills (literally), the majority of which were not turning at all!! There was a hell of a lot of money put in these to have them sitting idle. Obama and the UN all state that climate change is more of a crisis than terrorism and are proposing to send $trillions on it. These monies will provide jobs and without the solution to Bessler's wheel, will not significantly impact the oil industry (as seen by the windmills and solar panels produce little if the sun is not shinning). Nuclear is not going to happen, too dangerous.

If a solution is found, the impact on these (green energy companies) will be tremendous, especially with job losses. The impact on oil will be profound although it will take years to fully have enough in operation to make a difference. If found, then the Governments will have to find another crisis to spend money on and that would not go well.

The solution would have such a profound impact that I suspect that every effort (and I mean every effort) will be made to suppress it. Do you agree? Do you still feel the patent system is the way to go if found? Is this a worthy topic for discussion on Bessler wheel?
Dave
As for your question; “Should We Seek A Solution�, the answer is yes! The government and each state utility commission is awarding companies that install windmills with incentives, accelerated tax deductions/depreciation and allowing the utility companies to charge more for the power they generate if and when they do turn. We here in the Northwest are charged for the power that they could make but cannot when the hydro dams are filling the grid with surplus power during spring run off and fish mitigation.

The windmills you see are constructed on either private or federal lands. If placed on private land, the owner of said property is collecting either by flat rate or a royalty of power produced. Some farmers are making a fistful of dollars off this and gladly giving up productive farm land for their placement. Each windmill is connected to the national grid by underground cable, this means that each also require an easement across bare land for each utility dig.

Now lets say we come up with a gravity driven wheel that produces power 24-7 and does not rely on any natural source such as wind or sun. You simply sublease a portion of ground at the base of each windmill where it can be tied into the same grid wire without worry of extensive power lines. Your machine is producing ongoing power at a lower cost and is running when other sources are dormat.

It is by law in most states if not all, that if you can supply a green power source that is compatible by being in phase with the grid, the local or national power grid must accept your back-feed into the grid. Lets say for example I have a working wheel with generator in my garage. By law the local power company must allow me to hook it into their supply drop, making my wattage use meter run backwards! They must pay me for any and all power over and above what I consume.

As for a profound impact, I really do not see any! The laws are already written in our favor and were originally backed and passed by congress and state utility commissions to except the windmill power in the first place!

Open for comments: Please!

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Interesting topic.

What and how would my utility company (Consumers Energy) receive the power generated by a working PM wheel in my backyard? You see, I'm the 5th house from the end of a single phase line. I would guess the line is 480 volts? There are 8 houses on the line, which is a side-shoot from a 3-phase line out at the highway.

And what happens if the line breaks between me and the main line? Quite often a tree will fall during a storm, possibly miles away, and take out the line. So when the fuse trips, say three miles away, suddenly my little Bessler generator will attempt to supply power to a few hundred homes.

Just contemplating.

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Whatever law there is now, it will be changed when it no longer benefits.

When everyone (in theory) could generate their own energy, there's eventually no need for a grid anymore; - perhaps only isolated sub-grids as a backup system. Eventually nobody gets rich, but possibly only the first 'early adopters', or the 'bulk'-generators: a pyramid-scheme-effect.

A possible snowball:
When taxes can no longer be raised on energy-consumption then taxes on other things would simply rise. When oil is no longer burned, plastics will become more expensive (I guess most still comes from crude oil instead of recycled stuff), and other natural resource (productive farmland) would be used to create new polymers. While the energy cost will be low, it could also result in that bulbs, LEDs and perhaps just all kinds of resources would get more expensive... When in the end nobody can afford to build a PM-device, the grid preferably needs to be reinstalled (I guess not a painless process).

In short:
Free energy does not automatically imply a 'free lunch'-scenario on everything for everyone.
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^^ Or just do what California is doing and charge a utility tax on those who use renewable energy or go off-grid (because it's "not fair" to those who don't, as they have to then pay more. Or some such nonsense...)
And what happens if the line breaks between me and the main line? Quite often a tree will fall during a storm, possibly miles away, and take out the line. So when the fuse trips, say three miles away, suddenly my little Bessler generator will attempt to supply power to a few hundred homes.
Or electrocute the poor lineman trying to repair the downed line. :(
I think the power companies already have procedures for this eventuality.
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I once had a very unusual experience with our power line. We lost power, but not completely. A voltmeter to the line read about 38 volts. And one of those new modern light bulbs with a coiled florescent tube continued to glow until I turned the switch. As far as I know, we lost one line of the three phase that runs for miles, and the other two lines of the three phase acted like a transformer so as but power into the unconnected line.

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MrTim,

California receives a good portion of its power from BPA originating here in the Northwest.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bpa+DC+ ... 8&oe=utf-8

You like me, are paying for the windmills whether they are producing or not!

Politics have have made it possible for renewable energy to charge more. We here on Pacific Power aka Mountain States Power have a choice of paying extra for renewable energy.

The kicker is: Hydro-electric which supplies most of the power on the BPA grid is not considered "renewable"....
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Hi Ralph:

In defense of patents, in this virtually given pursuit of a solution, I note with interest after a scattering of patents were issued in 1790 until Patent Number One was issued in 1848, my patent no. comes in at 3.2 million and the latest patents are at 9.1 million.

That suggests to me that after being adjusted for population growth, patents remain a useful approach for realization of solutions to problems. I'd go further also to note the Manoj Bhargava solution to energy needs from Planet Earth's heat underground, I believe would best be approached with patents.

Like earthquakes, I'd say a solution is not if, but when, and I think we have a future.

Jim W.
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