Another claim to a working device...

Grimer · Post by **Grimer** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:37 am

New image?

Furcurequs · Post by **Furcurequs** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:39 am

Furcurequs · Post by **Furcurequs** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:44 pm

The Errata text:

Estamos substituindo a apresentaÃ§Ã£o do nosso motor modelo RAR-2016 que colocamos na internet em 20-11-2015 em virtude de correÃ§Ã£o de pequenos detalhes.

Google translation:

We are replacing the presentation of our model engine RAR-2016 that put the Internet on 11.20.2015 because of small details correction.

Other text:

VisÃ£o geral de nosso motor modelo RAR-2016, alimentado e movido exclusivamente pela forÃ§a da gravidade. Este motor foi desenvolvido inteiramente por nossa equipe.

Como todos os produtos, certamente existe muito a se descobrir e se desenvolver no aproveitamento da energia contida na forÃ§a da gravidade do planeta.

(Desenhos)

Google translation:

Overview of our engine model RAR-2016, powered and powered exclusively by gravity. This engine was developed entirely by our team.
Like all products, there is certainly much to discover and develop the use of the energy contained in the force of gravity on the planet.
(Drawings)

Furcurequs · Post by **Furcurequs** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:36 pm

The following two animated gifs show the seemingly minor corrections:

The new machine animations:

Furcurequs · Post by **Furcurequs** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:16 pm

Grimer wrote:New image?

http://rarenergia.com.br/Ciclo.jpg

Here are the Google translations for the text on that image:

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Cycle start

49.5
Secondary weight B touches the table rollers

67.5
Low opening control lock the withdrawal of telescopic lock the telescope starts its exchange closing the main anchor shaft to the secondary

103.5
The secondary weight Exchanging the shelf for the telescopic telescopic arm touches the limit stop

222.5
The secondary weight The telescopic arm exchange for shelf

292.5
Early opening of the telescope

325
The secondary weight B desencosta* the roller table and starts rising

*"Desencosta!" is coloquial for "Get lost!" according to the following link:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/tr ... desencosta!

Furcurequs · Post by **Furcurequs** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:18 pm

Here is its recent evolution:

RAR 2016-B appears to be the new variation of the Porto Alegre motor.

Here are its recent changes:

There are perspective views and labeled cycle diagrams in the linked images, but I'm not going to bother with them this time.

Bill_Mothershead · Post by **Bill_Mothershead** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:45 pm

This guy took some time to describe how he thinks RAR works.

http://pesn.com/2015/12/18/9602705_Davi ... tor-works/

WaltzCee · Post by **WaltzCee** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:24 pm

Has anyone tried to model this in wm2d?

Art · Post by **Art** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:22 pm

Hi Bill ,

Good article in your link to -
" David Haack: Why I think the RAR Energia gravity motor works"

..The nub of why he thinks it could work is contained in his sentence : -
" If this machine were operating at a very slow speed, we could not get any work out of it. But, if it is moving relatively faster, then the weight would continue on to a slightly higher elevation due to its great mass and increased velocity."

..However I believe the increased momentum of the 400 Kg weight in question (due to its increased velocity) has to come from the total system .It is going from zero velocity to its maximum as a result of the force input of the cycle - and yes this is recovered as David Haack suggests "- most of the work increase at the longer lever arm counts as gain" - but at maximum it will be a breakeven for the 'energy in energy out bookeeping' !

..I'm afraid that all three of Newtons Laws would have to be violated for this to be the working principle .
..I don't care much for Newton as a person But I havn't yet been able to identify even a hint that any one of his three laws aren't 100% accurate !
..I think the only loophole available for our purposes is contained in his 2nd Law -

"The impressed force is proportional to the change of momentum per unit time which it produces ,and the change of momentum takes place in the direction of the straight line along which the force acts."
.. "per unit time" is the variable that needs to be played with !

..If RAR were offloading some of the momentum onto pendulums instead of straight leverage I think we could be more hopeful .

Grimer · Post by **Grimer** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:52 pm

Art wrote:...
If RAR were offloading some of the momentum onto pendulums instead of straight leverage I think we could be more hopeful.

I think it more likely that it is off-loading some angular momentum onto the earth.

Grimer · Post by **Grimer** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:56 pm

Oops! Double post

Trevor Lyn Whatford · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:16 am

I think they should scrap it and start again with something more simple!

It is way too complicated. The drive shaft is not big enough for a start, I doubt they could use a electric motor to drive it, they would have to drive it with hydraulic motors in set of four's. Best off scraping it though.

WaltzCee · Post by **WaltzCee** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:47 am

Trevor Lyn Whatford wrote:I think they should scrap it and start again with something more simple!

I agree and for these reasons:

You have a billionaire who hasn't paid the patent fees.
Lock Haven University is cited in that patent.
This thread began Wed Feb 06, 2013 &
That's been more than enough time for something to have developed.

This dead cat isn't bouncing and I don't expect it ever will.

Grimer · Post by **Grimer** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:50 am

Art wrote:...
If RAR were offloading some of the momentum onto pendulums instead of straight leverage I think we could be more hopeful.

It isn't a "straight leverage" though, is it. The path of the main weight encloses an area. They emphasize this with a red line and stuff. This means that it is generating angular momentum and this angular momentum is being balanced by an opposite angular momentum of the main shaft.

Angular momentum has to be conserved, doesn't it.

Art · Post by **Art** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:14 am

Hi Grimer ,

My use of the word 'straight' leverage is probably a bit inapropriate there.
What I meant was 'simple' leverage in the sense of a system of rigidly connected levers -[not that the levers are straight and also not that its all that simple :) ]

Sorry one word can make a big difference in meaning sometimes !.

I believe a system of rigidly connected levers on their own cannot output more energy than the input ,whether that input is mechanical effort or gravitational force . If there are additional features in the system such as pendulum , spring or magnetic buffering devices etc included then I'm not so sure . Buffering devices can change the time factor in the momentum equations , - and that's a different ball game !

On re-looking at that link to David Haack's article I notice that Dan Chapman points out in a post made on 18Dec that the telescopic arm appears to have what looks like a solenoid built into it .He posts three images of it which show IMO that the arm has the ability to change its lenghth presumably during a cycle .

I would have to say that it doesn't now look to me like a simple [or 'straight' :)] leverage system . Makes it a good deal more complicated trying to figure out whats going on (or not as the case may be )

What we are missing is a little bit of hard data from RAR . The constant addition of these images without discussion of them by RAR appears to me to be a justification for keeping the website and project open for whatever reason .Maybe we are just looking at a billionaire's project lab. workbook without the notes ! : )
Just think of the fun they could have though if they commented on each image in the same manner that Bessler comments on his M.T.s' !

BesslerWheel.com

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