Has An Important Property Of Fluids Been Overlooked ?

[oldNick]

Fcdriver, if you're using the stampers to drive your wheel you don't need a brake, it should be easy to disengage the stampers while running. Your see-saw will be on a one way bearing and your stampers are only lifted and dropped by the axle, (not attached) so either chock them up or pull away from axle.

[daanopperman]

old Nick ,

If you connect your see saw to the wheel via a crank you can have 50 % more power transferred to the wheel .

[ME]

Ralph, next guess:

Do the blades form a sort of triangular or pyramidal shape to force the water to the sides when ascending and to the rim when descending??

[Fcdriver]

The stompers do not drive the wheel, they move the weights, in the wheel. There is a big difference. The lifting of the weights is a point of pressure to push against. A crank would NOT give more power, it would limit the speed of the lift!

[rlortie]

Fcdriver,

Replace the water with the stompers, leverage them to what ever advantage you want? Then rpm is not limited? Do I understand what you are doing? I think I get it.

Sorry but I do not think you have it! Stompers (as you call them) are only for lifting, a function only to display that the machine is capable of lifting them. Engaging them or disengaging will only change the restrictive work load on the wheel. They can only be utilized if placed on the ascending side of the axle so the lobes can lift them.

As to how you believe they have anything to do with the driving force to the wheel is beyond my comprehension. They are not required in my design.

So you are pushing against the movement of water, to move weights, causing a imbalance,,hmm. But claim that pushing against the stompers, to move weights is not possible? I'm testing mine with a 10kw generator hoping to be able to stall it, because it didn't install a break.

No! I am not pushing against the movement of water to move weights. You state you are testing yours with a 10KW generator, this implies that you have built it and it is functional. Are you saying that you do indeed have a runner? Or do you wish to rephrase this comment?

@ r.henley (aka many pseudonym's).. There is nothing in the posts you have made on this thread that are relative to my design or the title of this topic. please take your personal debates with Alan elsewhere, The subject of "splashing" is not related to fluid dynamics being discussed.

Ralph

[Fcdriver]

Was it running before it broke, shattering 2/4s,, do I have 55 downward and only 2 lbs for lifting per arm, do I plan to double the downward stroke, then the answer is yes! Is it the first runner so to speak I've had ,,No! Is the Bessler design possible yes if you don't put the weights on the wheel! Do the stompers provide a purpose, other than show, yes that is false that they are only for show. Do I wish to rephrase that comment,, No!

[Art]

Quote : -

"Was it running before it broke, -----------------, then the answer is yes! "



Hi Fc ,

Approximately how many turns did it do or how many seconds or minutes did it run for ?

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[rlortie]

FC Driver,

To have a self-sustaining machine with a torque value high enough to shatter a 2X4 by exceeding its modules of Elasticity aka tensile modulus is quite a feat to say the least! Shearing or separating a 2x4 by either span loads or parallel to the grain requires extensive force.

http://www.engineersedge.com/lumber.htm

If you built such a machine, then why are you wasting your time here?

Ralph

[Fcdriver]

I put 150 lbs of weight on my wheel for a flywheel effect, I did not yet have hooked up to the generator which was suppose to be my break, I let spin for about five minutes, in trying to stop it, the cogs jammed against the levers. 1/2 inch bolts twisted splitting the 2/4s. I was really wasn't ready to run it, when I broke it. I had made it in a tent off of my deck, I am currently making a hard cover roof, to rebuild it under. My patent attorney said I could not patent what Bessler did, so I'm making changes. In the Bessler tradition I feel I'm giving clues, that is why I'm on here.

[ME]

I was really wasn't ready to run it

and yet

I put 150 lbs of weight on my wheel for a flywheel effect

That's about 75 kg... :-/
Even a fraction of a percentage flying around could be extremely dangerous.

Just consider: IT WILL FAIL... (even your generator) you only don't know when - especially it happens when least expected.

(Still has nothing to do with fluids though - besides possible blood splashes)

[jim_mich]

Marchello,
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[Fcdriver]

Spruce 2/4s are not recommend to use as levers! Especially if you are extending them past the radius of your wheel, and connecting on the side.

[ME]

Even if you made it with oak or even steal.....

You still don't want a fraction of that flying around...
Even though better construction material holds better, things still could snap - perhaps it will not be the material doing the snapping:

For example, in case some 1/2 inch bolt twists and breaks (equivalent to m13 or m14? let's guess some 0.25 lbs ?)

I think you are better off with spruce...

[AB Hammer]

I put 150 lbs of weight on my wheel for a flywheel effect, I did not yet have hooked up to the generator which was suppose to be my break, I let spin for about five minutes, in trying to stop it, the cogs jammed against the levers. 1/2 inch bolts twisted splitting the 2/4s. I was really wasn't ready to run it, when I broke it. I had made it in a tent off of my deck, I am currently making a hard cover roof, to rebuild it under. My patent attorney said I could not patent what Bessler did, so I'm making changes. In the Bessler tradition I feel I'm giving clues, that is why I'm on here.

Reinforce with steel or aluminum plate. The angle of the grain can also make a difference. I am using all steel in my build that also showed a gain and an acceleration before is mist-shifted. Mine is less than 5 ft in diameter. The correction will be done shortly. 2016 would be cool for a wheel of the month string. ;-)

[ME]

So please, FcDriver (ABHammer and others)
-Seriously meant for the sake of your own safety and your residents-

Implement a recoverable fail safe;
Implement a last resort fail safe;
Avoid situations of panic;
Reflect on safety protocols.

I personally only build handheld mechanisms or desktop-size proof of concept models, with weights of only a couple of grams...
My fail-safe is simply a blanket (unfortunately never used).

In case of Fcdriver:
At least a table on its side plus a Duck and Hide procedure.
And because of gravity: Perhaps a way to tip it over to its side.
(I wonder what would happen to JimMitch's machine when spun out of control)