Perpetual Motion is Impossible

[jim_mich]

897 parts is a lot. How many of that 897 are related to the action (i.e. not part of the frame or axle)?

About 175 parts relate to the A-frame stand.
About 208 parts relate to the mechanisms parts. Most all the other parts relate to the standard hardware needed to assemble everything, such as nuts, washer, screws, threaded rods, cotter pins, etc.

[eccentrically1]

208? That's a lot of moving parts for a simple mechanism. Are you going with the traditional 8 mechanisms?

[jim_mich]

Four mechanism. Eight bangs per rotation.

Sixteen of part #16 - weights
Thirty-two of part #17
Sixteen of part #18 - cross-bars
Sixteen of part #19 - support post
Sixteen of part #26 - cotter pins
Thirty-two of part #27 - standoffs
Sixteen of part #32 - nylon spacer
Forty-eight of part #33 - nylon spacer
Sixteen of part #39
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Total of 208

[raj]

Some carpenter boy would be eager to have a look at JIM's wheel, and build it to play with, because the wheel appears so SIMPLE to build.

The crux of the matter in this discussion is this:

Jim wiil believe in a Gravity wheel, the day he sees a gravity wheel working.

I, for one, shall believe in a MOTION wheel the day I see a motion wheel
working.

But this day may never come.

Raj

[justsomeone]

Jim, does your son understand your theory and agree with you?

[jim_mich]

All three of my sons understand my wheel.

My oldest son, who recently helped me, has an open mind about it.
My middle son has never said much about if he thinks it will work
My youngest son thinks it has a high probability of working.
Oh, my oldest child is my daughter. She's has only a rough idea of my wheel theory.

[perpetualman]

Is bessler old house/lab for sale? If so, how much and, does the new owner have to live in it?

The reason why I ask is, I think it would be really cool to display the only gravity wheel in his original house/lab.

Perpetualman.

[perpetualman]

updated

Is bessler old house/lab for sale? If so, how much and, does the new owner have to live in it?

The reason why I ask is, I think it would be really cool to display the only working gravity wheel in his original house/lab.

Perpetualman.

[AB Hammer]

In order for a true gravity wheel to work, do not the weights on either side of the wheel need to be set or reset before they reach the plane of equilibrium? In other words, the weight on the ascending side (MUST) be set in place (before) it reaches the 9 O'clock position, and the weight in the descending side (MUST) be set before it reaches the. 3 O'clock position. Otherwise, the wheel will simply not rotate.

Is this a correct statement?

Perpetualman.

Well that would seem so but seem is all in that thought. You have to have the OB to make these actions and it would be more like 8:00 and 2:00 to make sure you can repeat. Of course there are other variables we run into all the time when building.

[perpetualman]

I appreciate your input Allen. By the way, where would be a good place to look at the many ideas for the inner workings of a gravity wheel?

Perpetualman.

[AB Hammer]

They will be here, other forums and on youtube when each are ready. I will say there are other ways than the simple scenario.


Alan

[WaltzCee]

All three of my sons understand my wheel.

My oldest son, who recently helped me, has an open mind about it.
My middle son has never said much about if he thinks it will work
My youngest son thinks it has a high probability of working.
Oh, my oldest child is my daughter. She's has only a rough idea of my wheel theory.

That's a fine brood you got there Jim.

If you truly are done with the biddy that assisted you in bring them into the world, would you kindly pm me her email and phone number?

I'd like to met this one. Is she a good kisser? I like kissing.

[WaltzCee]

OK, Jim, I apologize.

I never should have put it to you that way. I was wrong.

Now I'll tell it to you as a friend. I know you have a very high regard for your word.

What about the word you gave to this one that is the mother of your children? Man up.

Do your self a favor.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Four mechanism. Eight bangs per rotation.

Sixteen of part #16 - weights
Thirty-two of part #17
Sixteen of part #18 - cross-bars
Sixteen of part #19 - support post
Sixteen of part #26 - cotter pins
Thirty-two of part #27 - standoffs
Sixteen of part #32 - nylon spacer
Forty-eight of part #33 - nylon spacer
Sixteen of part #39
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Total of 208

Hi Jim-Mich,

That is a lot of pivot points you have there, so that is a lot of friction, that is one reason most builders do not use scissor jacks.

I wish you luck though, but I do not see it as a contender for a Bessler's wheel.

The main reason is the Conservation of Angular Motion (CoAM) experiments that prove it, are low friction experiments, the ice skater is low friction, the coat hanger and batteries experiment is low friction, both of which still need muscle energy inputs to prove them, the rest have well over the top energy inputs to prove it that they are not even valid at their power to weight ratios.

My hopes are, that while you are building your design you may find a good gravity assisted mechanism.

Forgive my negativity, but you still have not identified your proposed driving force that will move the weights in your design, to do so would go a long way to get people to understand your design. As it stands all we have is your interpretation of Bessler's words.

Good luck with this build Jim, I hope I am wrong, but I do not think so.

[cloud camper]

On the money TLW.

Even a casual builder can see this many rotating joints will create ungodly
static friction even with the best bearings.

Any mechanism with this much friction will require more than a small push
start to get underway.

In addition, useable quantities of CF to overcome all this static friction will never be generated from a small push.

Another huge issue is structural rigidity. Use of flexible plywood or light aluminum will allow the structure to wobble and flex excessively, dissipating any RKE quickly. Hardware store aluminum is usually easily bent 5052 (very flexy).

For a 49" wheel we will need 2" Sq by .125 wall 6061 aircraft quality crossbars to achieve any measure of rigidity.

This in turn requires large 1.5" high precision ball bearings to minimize wobble. Cheap hardware store bearings just won't cut it.

And of course we require two bearings at each joint, top and bottom (for more rigidity). This requires precision machining on a vertical mill to keep the bearings perfectly alligned.

And of course precision ground stainless drill rod (+/- .001") for our bearing axles not just cheap bolts to achieve a precise light hammer fit to the bearing ID.

Unfortunately JM is looking at a complete redesign before this idea can even be tested.