energy producing experiments

[WaltzCee]

all are thoroughly chopping at the bit. Might I be so bold as to ask, "When do propose to make this happen?"

Sincerely,

ME

[pequaide]

It is currently happening; it is only a matter of whom chooses to be a part of it. Energy producing devices of many arraignments are now being built for less than $20. These devices prove that man's next major source of energy is gravity. A motion machine that loads energy from gravity.

These simple machines prove that the Dawn Mission or anything like it conserves linear Newtonian momentum and the energy increase is vast.

[telecom]

What's really interesting - when they calculate a ballistic pendulum,
they don't use the conservation of energy equation, but use a conservation of
the momentum instead!

[pequaide]

Yes; and the cylinder and spheres can do a small mass giving its motion to a large mass, and large to small, and back and forth. How could one formula apply for one direction and a different formula for the other direction.

My experiments show that the same formula works in both direction, and that huge amounts of energy were made by the Dawn Mission experiment or any other such device.

[telecom]

So the energy is only created when motion is transferred from the large mass to small!
And when motion is transferred the opposite way, the energy is destroyed, like in a recoil, where a large mass of the shooter kills the energy of the kickback of the bullet, like in the ballistic pendulum!
This explains why the bullet hitting a person in a bulletproof west will
knock him of his feet, while the shooter is perfectly untouched.
Is this correct?

[sleepy]

Since the bullet is sitting still in the chamber,it cannot impart KE to the gun.The gun only receives the force of the powder,which is dissipated through the chamber,then the stock,then the material of the wearer's jacket,then finally the shoulder(or hand).The target receives the full KE.

[pequaide]

The quantity of momentum in the recoiling gun is equal to the quantity of momentum of the bullet. The momentum is caused by burning powder. The equality of momentum of the gun and bullet is because of (or explained by) Newton's Third Law. As the powder burns the bullet pushes against the gun and the gun pushes against the bullet; the confinement of the barrel requires them to push against each other.

The quantity of force that pushes against the bullet is equal to the quantity of force that pushes against the gun. The quantity of time for each application of force is also the same. In F = ma a is equal to v/t. We then multiply each side by t and we have Ft = mv; because the two Ft s are the same so are the mv s. The Mv of the gum equals the mV of the bullet.

Over the years the velocity of both the gun and the bullet has been carefully measures.  Consequently linear Newtonian momentum is the only accepted conserved quantity for this experiment.

I have a 264 Winchester magnum. It shoots a 9.7 gram bullet moving 1030 m/sec. That would be a momentum of .0097 kg * 1030 m/sec = 9.991 units of momentum. The gun has a mass of about 4 kilograms; that means it will recoil at 9.991 / 4 kg = 2.5 m/sec. While sighting the gun in I wear three layers of thick winter close and I stuff a T-shirt in front of the shoulder of impact. If you ever shot it while leaning back against a tree you would no doubt break your shoulder. And the energy of the gun is only ½ * 4 * 2.5 *2.5 = 12.5 joules. This is the same as dropping the gun from 32 cm; not much but you have to be careful.

What happens on the other end is a different story. The energy is ½ * .0097 kg * 1030 m/sec * 1030 m/sec = 5145 joules.

People use momentum conservation because it works; and energy takes a back seat.

If you do not measure the velocities in your experiment you can make false or imaginary claims. For the ice skater they measure neither the mass nor the velocity; and it is the only ‘experiment’ that allegedly proves that angular momentum is a conserved quantity in the lab.

In the Dawn Mission experiment they do not measure, or report, the final velocity of the released masses. Yet they speculate that energy is conserved.

Well that is the whole point; experiments are not about augmenting speculation, they are about proof.  Experiments are about the confirmation of one concept or theory and the elimination of another opposing concept or theory.

Energy conservation for the Dawn Mission type experiment is a bottle neck for motion; if energy is conserved when the small masses have all the motion then the majority of the momentum is gone and the motion cannot come back to the rotating cylinder. Nothing but momentum is ever given from small objects to large.

The people at NASA probably never expected anyone to challenge their energy conservation claim for the Dawn Mission yo-yo despin device.  But I challenge it and I have proven them wrong. All of the motion in the cylinder and spheres experiment is returned to the cylinder; which means that all of the momentum remained in the system while the small mass spheres had all of the motion. 

[ME]

I'll try a yo-yo despin with WM2D and see what happens (could take some time)
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Will post the result in my topic about centrifugal force: probably related.

[pequaide]

Picture; This cylinder has stopped twice and has been restarted by the spheres twice. It has dropped quite far and it is spinning. It takes 4 frames to move across the black square; about the same as it did when it was dropped. Sorry it not as blurred in my imports.

[pequaide]

The previous picture is one of the last few frames just before the cylinder and spheres hits the foam on the floor. Does that read 148 at the bottom? That would be one minute: twenty six seconds; and 148/240th of a second. 1:26:148.

The spheres were up against the cylinder when spun and released at 1:26:82. It took about four frames for the cylinder and spheres to move the distance of one black square.

At 1:26:97 the cylinder was stopped; The spheres contain all the motion.

At 1:26:118 the cylinder is at full speed again and it takes about four (4/240th sec) frames to cross the distance of the black square.

At 1:26:140 the cylinder is again stopped and the spheres have all the motion.

At 1:26:154 the cylinder is again at high speed and it takes about four frames to cross the distance of the black square.

There are several things here that indicate that motion is not being lost.

At the three points of high cylinder motion ( 1:26:82, 1:26:118, 1:26:154) it take 4, 4, and 4 frames to cross the distance of the black square.

And also note the time frames between the five positions mentioned. It takes 15/240th between the release and the first stop; it takes 14/240th of a second between the second stop and the last restart to high speed for the cylinder. It takes 21/240th of a second to go from the first stop to the center (or middle) high speed of the cylinder. It takes 22/240th of a second to go from the center high speed to the second stop.

Without the words it looks like this. 15, 21, 22, 14. the center (the first high speed restart) is between 21 and 22 and the left side is the mirror of the right side.

Nothing is changing: nothing is slowing down; nothing is being lost. The momentum of the system remains constant.

We know from a multitude of ballistic pendulum experiments that nothing but the momentum of a small mass can be given to a larger mass. So we know that when the spheres give their motion to the cylinder they can only give their momentum.

The mass ratio in this experiment is 4.5 to 1: the combination of the cylinder and spheres mass is 597 grams, the spheres have a combined mass of 132.6 (66 grams each).

This experiment proves that the system retains the linear Newtonian momentum. For the spheres to maintain that momentum, when they have all the motion, they must have a velocity 4.5 times that of the original velocity.

At the two points where the spheres have all the motion they have 450% of the original energy. They are at this point twice; at 1:26:97and 1:26:140.

To prevent an increase in energy the spheres could only be moving 2.12 times as fast as the original velocity. This is a momentum lose of 53% twice. That would be 47% of 47%, or only 22% of the original momentum. With this loss of momentum (78%) it would take 18 frames to cross the black square, and the experiment takes only 14 frames to move from a full stop to full motion.

Tell all your friends that energy has been made in the lab; and you can sight this experiment as proof.

[pequaide]

A better picture: The smaller cylinder has dimes wrapped to increase the mass to a total of 597 grams. The other insert has 1800 grams of 1/2 inch rod for about 2446 gram total. The pi * r length tether can stop the 2446 at full extension and the same top does the double stop for the smaller insert.

[pequaide]

two masses: both moving in a circle, and they conserve linear Newtonian momentum.

[pequaide]

Some might not see how the last picture relates to the cylinder and spheres; but I think it does. Both the spheres and the cylinder are moving in circles and they transfer their total momentum back and forth.

I could not find one on the internet; so I found two pendulums being used as a ballistic pendulum in the library.

Note that it says in all impacts; and it is true, it is all. All interactions all of the time.

I have done this experiment 20 or 30 times now and no motion is being lost; and only momentum can go back and forth.

[pequaide]

1:37:232 1 minute: 37 seconds: frame 232/240th of a second. Release

[pequaide]

1:38:06 First stop