Have always had a fascination with 38, 40, 41, 42, and 60.

[jms.lindgard]

I will show when I am ready and not any sooner. Bessler had to put up with this as well.

You win Alan. If you molest young boys, no one will say anything.

[axel]

Lindgard. You need professional help. Just want to tell you that before you get banned.

[AB Hammer]

I will show when I am ready and not any sooner. Bessler had to put up with this as well.

You win Alan. If you molest young boys, no one will say anything.

That is just SICK Lindgaard!!




axel

You forgot to add the word again after banned.

[james.lindgard]

Number 40 in particular. As drawn in MT, it will never work. I've pounded all of these many times trying to see what could be done to alter the parts preventing them from working. Everything tried, makes the situation worse.

I see something now with 40 though.
It will take awhile try the principle out for real.

I can tell you now though, the crossbar may cause the imbalance, but its weight is not what gravity causes to turn.

Axel,
If Mt 40 is configured as shown in the attached drawing, then when rod "C" moves 3 inches, for every square or diamond in the scissors, that will be how much it's motion is amplified.
An example is if there are 4 squares, a weight would be moved 12 inches. And if the lever moving "C" moves 6 inches (it's weight's CoG) then twice as much work will be performed.
I think in some ways that Mt 25 asks a person to consider this shift in balance/imbalance.

Jim

edited to add; the rod "C" could be attached to a cross bar that would allow 2 sets of scissors to move together as one. This would help to provide lateral support. The diagram I posted is the configuration used on scissor lifts.

[axel]

Lindgard I have no interest in talking to you.

[james.lindgard]

Can I apologize for mentioning how scissors work then ?

[james.lindgard]

p.s., AB Hammer used to wonder what can fit inside of a wheel 4 inches wide. Scissors can. A 1 lb. ball of lead has a diameter of 1.75 inches. Lead's density is 2.44 cubic inches equals 1 lb.
But I think I am finished with this for the time being, too much animosity.

[AB Hammer]

james.lindgard

p.s., AB Hammer used to wonder what can fit inside of a wheel 4 inches wide. Scissors can. A 1 lb. ball of lead has a diameter of 1.75 inches. Lead's density is 2.44 cubic inches equals 1 lb.
But I think I am finished with this for the time being, too much animosity.

WHAT?? That makes no since at all, or it is way out of context. Some of my first wheels would not have been able to fit into a 3 inch wide wheel for they where layered wheels, one device per layer.

Stick to the program JL

[james.lindgard]

@All,
With Mt 40, the scissors are secured where noted. Then when the lever opens the lower scissor to 45° the scissors above the bar extend upwards. If a 1 lb. weight is on the top point of the scissors, then when lever A moves downward, the weight "D" is lifted 5 times higher.
If set up like Mt 39, then the scissors below the axle retract. If the point on lever "A" drops 6 inches, then 6 in. lbs. of work is required. And if the end of lever "A" drops 12 inches, then weight "D" is lifted 30 inches.
Also if anyone notices, the scissors do not open more than 45°. They'll require more work when extended beyond that angle. And as for AB Hammer, I won't be surprised if he builds this so he can tell everyone that he did it. He has been after me for an invention and unfortunately this is not something that can be patented so it might leave a bitter taste in his mouth.

[AB Hammer]

@All,
With Mt 40, the scissors are secured where noted. Then when the lever opens the lower scissor to 45° the scissors above the bar extend upwards. If a 1 lb. weight is on the top point of the scissors, then when lever A moves downward, the weight "D" is lifted 5 times higher.
If set up like Mt 39, then the scissors below the axle retract. If the point on lever "A" drops 6 inches, then 6 in. lbs. of work is required. And if the end of lever "A" drops 12 inches, then weight "D" is lifted 30 inches.
Also if anyone notices, the scissors do not open more than 45°. They'll require more work when extended beyond that angle. And as for AB Hammer, I won't be surprised if he builds this so he can tell everyone that he did it. He has been after me for an invention and unfortunately this is not something that can be patented so it might leave a bitter taste in his mouth.

IN Bold! is total BS! I have never wanted anything you have done or are doing. You only keep saying this BS to be a jerk and another reason you get banned of most all forums you have ever been on and you still haven't gotten the hint the size of a giant redwood tree.

For testing I have done similar test and you should of to so you can see that it takes a lot of weight to lift a little in that configurations. If have you ever tested it like most of us here I'm sure have. You would not be so bold talking so highly on this basic design.

[james.lindgard]

AB Hammer,
Why are you afraid of the possibility of Bessler having been successful ?
As for that configuration, no reason it wouldn't work. I remember seeing Ant
Burr's scissors, they exploded outward when they moved.
And if you've tested a similar configuration as you claim, post it, I'd like to
see it. And if you can't show it, then you need to retract your claim for having
already tried it.

edited to change wording

[james.lindgard]

@All,
With scissors, if one set is on each side of the weight like A and B, then it will be stable just like with a scissor lift. The amount of force needed to lift it would probably mostly depend on how fast it lifts. Bessler did say 4 times the weight and 4 times as high if I remember correctly. Scissors are about the only thing that would allow for that.
One reason why is leverage. If 1 n-m of force is used, 1 kg @ 1 meter, then if a 4 kg weight is lifted 50 cm's, then the weighted lever would only need to drop 12.5 cm's. Leveraging allows for this because scissors amplify one movement many times.
In something that is easier to work with, having the same weight as what is on a lever being lifted 4 times as high is 4 times the work. And while one person has claimed that this has been tested, I'm not so sure about that.

[WaltzCee]

Don't want your psycho, your vertigo shtick
Don't want you in my rear window
Impelled on a stick, Wanted to feel love
Love-love-love, To feel the love (Love-love-what?. . .

Oh, is this mike live? Testing, testing.

I hope you're injoying your popcorn, Dr Ovyyus.


A little while ago I asked everyone for something. It seemed to have an effect, but it would be understandable if any are having 2nd thoughts.

It's a little sad. My mixed emotions are balanced between 100% disappoint in having to admit I was wrong and the difference going to the love I'm feeling from this one everyone cut some slack to.

Or if I had all the energy from every PM wheel ever built (except Bessler's) that would exceed the amount of love I'm feeling from this vessel of dishonor.

That's the math.

It's pure hell trying to discover the secrets of PM and to work that magic under ideal circumstances. It complexes things when a certain nameless pisspot is walking about kicking fire everywhere. We need to have it concentrated in the proper work areas in order to get this job done.

That's it gentlemen, break's over. Everyone back on your heads.

[AB Hammer]

AB Hammer,
Why are you afraid of the possibility of Bessler having been successful ?
As for that configuration, no reason it wouldn't work. I remember seeing Ant
Burr's scissors, they exploded outward when they moved.
And if you've tested a similar configuration as you claim, post it, I'd like to
see it. And if you can't show it, then you need to retract your claim for having
already tried it.

edited to change wording

JL you are the only one afraid. Not of Bessler but being left out.
As for the test BS statement. LMAO Members can look post and go to the string it is part of.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... er=user_id

Here is a picture of the test in one of it's configuration. Also the message I posted with it on Aug 2008. That was 7 1/2 years ago. The lever arm on the MT is not needed to see the problem. Every position I put it in it stayed and yes in the same position lifting up as MT40 before you have another AH HA moment accusing me of something else.

Hay david jenkins

I did some scissor test and thought I would post them for you. They are all free floating on the axle bar and the larger weight is 10 time bigger than the one supposed to be moved. All I got was allot of balance. I hope this info will help you out with scissor jacks.

[james.lindgard]

AB Hammer,
I remember when you built those. A guy in overunity.com suggested using scissors and posted a design. You built those in 2 days and did not build his design.
I think I'll need to find his thread to show how you built those wrong to discredit someone's idea of how Bessler did it.

edited;

AB Hammer, here is a link to real scissors. And while they use a motor, a lever does the same thing. What you show isn't close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjbwLPe-6pQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsuZJvSIWK8

I thought I'd add this one as a kid is using a syringe to operate a wooden hydraulic cylinder to lift scissors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDU43UTL2Yg


AB Hammer, with what you show, it's a crude attempt.