Can we all agree on one thing???

[Mark]

Cloud Camper says, and I paraphrase...
CF is as real a force as gravity, when observed from within the system.

That just cracks me up!

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Trevor Lyn Whatford, Forgive my humor, I was trying to be funny, as I thought others were. Sam Peppiatt

[agor95]

If you look real hard then the only thing that matters is inertia.

[WaltzCee]

@WaltzCee

I can agree on 'No one knows'.

So with due respect can we focus on agreeing on the small parts of a working device. Get that done and then work backwards to Bessler's clues?

I[we] respect you all!

Well, everyone has a method to their madness. Yours seems to be to work back to clues. However it seems I didn't do a good job at making my point so I'll give it another try. What the heck, I've got nothing but time.

If someone actually knew how to do this, then there would be a real difference between them and the balance of all us others trying to figure it out. Of course, this is a hypothetical someone. They don't really exist.

What I've discovered sifting thru all the thoughts that everyone has is from time to time some ideas strike a chord for me. A secret chord! And it pleases me.

Ah, tie me to a kitchen chair!

It seems I have 2 points.

• ♥ Although some want to make a difference between the members of this forum, there is no real difference between any here if you use results as a criteria &
  ☆ You can never know how someone's ideas might bounce off your reasoning.

Perhaps a 3rd point or more of a question:

Since there is no real difference between any on this forum (no one knows) why do some want to insist there is (a difference)?

[John doe]

@waltzcee I completely agree all the members on this forum and PMM seekers across the world fall into the same boat. Do I feel I have the key.? Of course but until I deliver my wheel as promised to the patent office then I'm no different than any other cocked sure PMM seeker who is 99.99 sure that his next wheel will be the one who cracks the code. Unless you happen to fall into the few who have already developed the said wheel and are just waiting for the uspto seal of approval...

If someone really possessed the knowledge of how to do it, could it be demonstrated without an actual PMM wheel no. But said person should have great insight into bessler's thought and ideas especially if he used bessler's drawings and writings for inspiration. However said person would have to be very careful of what information he revealed especially to Knowledge thirsty bunch of PMM seekers as reside on these forums. Are there questions that might support said theory without jeopardizing this persons project? Who knows maybe...

[agor95]

I completely agree all the members on this forum and PMM seekers across the world fall into the same boat.

I completely agree; however 'spinning in the same wheel' would be more to the mark. Call us spinners for short.

[John doe]

I believe we can all agree that this video is funny!!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... Rt1wB1amgQ

[ME]

Brilliant science and insights starts with brilliant failures (of others)...
So don't mock those failures however "uncough". It was funny though.

[John doe]

The amazing thing is many of the principles were sound just too far ahead of their time, but from those humble failures came some amazing success!!
.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ6GXCJf1cQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 8FbZlCBQnw

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUNJTAybCQQ

[james.lindgard]

John,
Not sure if you're aware of it but Otto Lilienthal who helped inspire the Wright Bros. flew hang gliders. He also used math to calculate lift.
Sometimes people forget that he was like every other idiot until he got it right.

Edited

[John doe]

Good point

[WaltzCee]

Sometimes people forget that he was like every other idiot until he got it right.

Not many get it right. Simple nontrigonometric statistics. Not speaking to any in particular, yet understand it's difficult to triangulate but very true none the less:

Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean you will ever get it right.

Just a random passing thought, not meant for any in particular.

[james.lindgard]

WaltzCee,
What is being over looked is that all those idiots were trying something that ultimately proved possible. So really, who were the idiots ? Was it those that tried or was it those who said it couldn't be done ?
I think it's funny when it's consodered someone was successful for not trying. Just look at the duccessful people who laughed at flight, breaking the sound barrier or going to the moon.
Actually, I think after the 1st 2 successes, successful people were beginning to understand was that laughing at someone else trying yo be a pioneer in a sense wasn't a joke.

[John doe]

No work today so I'm going to work on one of my theories for besslers design. Need some supplies first but I will keep you guys posted.

[John doe]

Been going some research on German history in the 16 and 17 hundreds while snooping around for information on besslers clues and such and have ran into similarities or overlap between the Netherlands and German points of study thinking specifically language, art, and of course local, I have discovered that while researching information on x subject in 17th century German that I often find cross references and possibly answers to questions I've been looking for answers to the 17th century Netherlands or vice versa.
Just curios if anyone else had found the same or similar on issues they would like to discuss. Or if someone had more insight into this topic of the hidtory of the Netherlands and Germany in general. Let me just add a few things to relate it to America for example "hessian" troops.
Just another example you might find that doing research on the etymology of a word that bessler used to try to get a better understanding of what he didn't did not mean you find the answer in the etymology of a Danish word.
Think that's enough to get a good discussion started anyways lol.