Policy Change -- Sockpuppets & Reputation System

[WaltzCee]

Well, we don't seem to be equal when it comes to attention to detail, perhaps. ...lol

It might seem like that. Yet in reality the higher your rating the more significant the vote. That's not equality.

[AB Hammer]

I feel cold !

I've got this funny naked feeling ,

Can anybody spare a green dot ? or two or three ?

LOL Art my old friend

I know what you mean so you get one. Hopefully all will be well and nobody finds a way to buck he system, like in the past.

[Art]

Can anybody spare a green dot ? or two or three ?

No, but I could sell you one. Different prices for different people though and no promise you will not be scammed 8P

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Depends what a Green Dot is worth ! , you say a figure and I'll nod or wink to indicate whether we need to go up or down ! Keep in mind though that although GD's have some characteristics of Bitcoins , I'm not sure though they would be equivalent trades (much smaller market I suppose and Bitcoins value is purely of a capitalistic nature where GD's are partially underwritten by friendship , - and what price friendship ? [Disclosure : - cf me and AB (ME ;- that's not a "ME" me but a "me" me ! {I'm glad my mother didn't call me Mimi if I had of been a girl}) ],)

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AB Hammer :- Thanks for the GD (if I'm reading between your lines properly ! ), I'm feeling warmer now , hope my GD to you arrived safely . P.S. - I think Daxwc might have a proposition of interest ! : )

[WaltzCee]

All members are equal. The rep system is not about popularity, or hierarchy, or who is more likely to find a solution. From a member standpoint, the rep bar helps a newbie determine which answers or comments to the newbies input can be valued, based on the senior member's rep - which is a direct indication of acknowledged respect.

The proposed changes are designed to fix what's broken by eliminating the abuse that the rep system is currently subject to.

This is the most silver-tongued stuff I've ever heard in all my born days. Notice the italicized "are"? Are we discussing what "is" means, here?

Blarney of the highest order. I'm calling shenanigans. :|

[ovyyus]

The proposed changes are designed to fix what's broken by eliminating the abuse that the rep system is currently subject to.

A side effect of the actual change implemented by Scott is that it permanently erases the good rep of past contributing members. That's a loss.

[AB Hammer]

ovyyus

Agreed so I hit your green again but no change yet, but they do add up.

[ovyyus]

Alan, I was refering to past members who lost their good rep and will never get it back. A part of the history of this forum was just deleted.

[justsomeone]

I also need to hit the green button for my favorite posters. They already earned it from me and don't need to earn it a second time. The majority of previously high ranking members earned their reputation. Thanks guys.
Scott will be my first green. :)

[AB Hammer]

ovyyus

Please post the names you remember so we who are willing to click on green of the ones who should not be forgotten.


ME

I see when I clicked on your green you now have 2. Most don't change like when I clicked on justsomeone, but they do add up.

[james.lindgard]

Alan, I was refering to past members who lost their good rep and will never get it back. A part of the history of this forum was just deleted.

And yet there is no working wheel.

quoting Scott; This web site strives to shed light on the Bessler mystery through an exchange of ideas among enthusiasts, dabblers, believers, skeptics, critics, and all who share a fascination with the "impossible."

[ME]

ME , I see when I clicked on your green you now have 2.

Jeuh !
Now we can go all strategic about this: Just hit everyone's green, so it can be taken away twice... or give everyone a red dot, so when we do give a green it has extra effect...
It might be possible this doesn't work out as intended, so one has to undo all those dots again or try different patterns: Just to keep us busy :->

And yet there is no working wheel.

JL, that seems about right.

enthusiasts - Those who have the best change in finding something, but still haven't;
dabblers - amateur who engages in an activity without serious intentions;
believers - There's no proof, but are confident someone else finds it;
skeptics - When there is proof, it's still not believed;
critics - There's no proof, so it doesn't exist;
all who share a fascination with the "impossible." - it's "impossible" anyway;

From that list: Just stay enthusiastic, and don't mind the rest.

[james.lindgard]

ME,
Mt 69 will probably what gets the ball rolling. Kind of why I find the animosity in here frustrating.
What I am aware of is once it is demonstrated, then Bessler will become credible and will get the recognition he deserves. It's funny though how some people in here are more concerned about their own reputation.

[Art]

Quote james lindigard . "..then Bessler will become credible and will get the recognition he deserves.It's funny though how some people in here are more concerned about their own reputation."

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James , If your reason for being part of the Bessler Wheel forum is to exonerate Besslers reputation then I applaud you .But I think it is unrealistic to think that many others are here for that reason .

My opinion of some of the factors that attract people to the forum are varied and many , but probably include reasons such as : -

* Curiosity : ie are the current physical laws misunderstood and is PM really possible ?

*Avarice : ie this is a potential treasure trove opportunity , I'll make billions and squillions of $.

*Egoism : ie how about that ! I'm a genius , I've solved something that more than 300 years of science hasn't ! and I'll be powerfull !

*Altruism : ie hey the solution to this problem just might be what's necessary to solve our global climate change problems.

*Accident : ie I'm here because one day when I was surfing the net I hit on BesslerWheel.com and here I am.

* Etc.

I'd have to say my reasons are a mixture of nearly all of the above but unfortunately not really very much of the desire to exonerate Besslers reputation
with the current scientific establishment .
And the only excuse I can offer there is that I don't believe dead people really care much about their reputation (and if they do then they should find other things more important to be concerned with).

So bearing in mind that it is hard to know what a persons motives for being here are , you need to take this into account when awarding your Green Dots .

My GD distribution system is based on the following reasoning :

No matter what the driving force that motivates a poster to post something that may help solve the problem is , then whether they intend it or not , if they cause the problem to be solved ,
then that will assist the battle against climate change and thereby be similar to the effect saught by those in the "Altruistic" camp in the list above .
This is important because the "window" for the usefullnes of solving the Bessler problem is IMO quite short ,-probably not more than about 20 years . In twenty years that window will be closed either because we will have changed our energy consumption radically (which doesn't look likely) or the climate will have done the job for us (if some of the predictions of Climatologists are accurate) by reducing the population drastically .


So I think that whatever poster you award your GD to , you need to do it on the basis of characteristics like whether the post is (and therefore the poster presumably) - Constructive , Accurate , honest , relevant , reasonable etc ,etc.

Usually I think it will boil down to whether or not you 'like" the person or not , if you value the characteristics against which you are judging !


Easy Peasy ! : )

[AB Hammer]

I see this forum as a place where we can talk about PM possibilities and Bessler. Birds of a feather, so to speak.

Some here get tunnel vision on their approaches. Ralph warned me on this when I fist joined the forum. So you have to keep an open mind. Understanding the proof of success of Bessler becomes a driving point. Yet there is no evidence on how he did it, outside of Bessler saying something like all you need to know is in the MTs. also other clues in his book. It is also well know that the MTs don't work as shown.
To say someone has Bessler's wheel is impossible to prove due to lack of information. But! we can if successful say we have a Bessler like wheel. This alone is more evidence to back up Bessler in history.

I have been accused by one individual of being anti-Bessler for saying you can't prove it is how Bessler did it, like as if Bessler was a religion. I say you can only say this is a possible way only. But until a proved wheel is shown, it is a mute point outside of exploration. IMHO


Alan

[james.lindgard]

Quote james lindigard . "..then Bessler will become credible and will get the recognition he deserves.It's funny though how some people in here are more concerned about their own reputation."

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James , If your reason for being part of the Bessler Wheel forum is to exonerate Besslers reputation then I applaud you .But I think it is unrealistic to think that many others are here for that reason .

My opinion of some of the factors that attract people to the forum are varied and many , but probably include reasons such as : -

* Curiosity : ie are the current physical laws misunderstood and is PM really possible ?

*Avarice : ie this is a potential treasure trove opportunity , I'll make billions and squillions of $.

*Egoism : ie how about that ! I'm a genius , I've solved something that more than 300 years of science hasn't ! and I'll be powerfull !

*Altruism : ie hey the solution to this problem just might be what's necessary to solve our global climate change problems.

*Accident : ie I'm here because one day when I was surfing the net I hit on BesslerWheel.com and here I am.

* Etc.

I'd have to say my reasons are a mixture of nearly all of the above but unfortunately not really very much of the desire to exonerate Besslers reputation
with the current scientific establishment .
And the only excuse I can offer there is that I don't believe dead people really care much about their reputation (and if they do then they should find other things more important to be concerned with).

So bearing in mind that it is hard to know what a persons motives for being here are , you need to take this into account when awarding your Green Dots .

My GD distribution system is based on the following reasoning :

No matter what the driving force that motivates a poster to post something that may help solve the problem is , then whether they intend it or not , if they cause the problem to be solved ,
then that will assist the battle against climate change and thereby be similar to the effect saught by those in the "Altruistic" camp in the list above .
This is important because the "window" for the usefullnes of solving the Bessler problem is IMO quite short ,-probably not more than about 20 years . In twenty years that window will be closed either because we will have changed our energy consumption radically (which doesn't look likely) or the climate will have done the job for us (if some of the predictions of Climatologists are accurate) by reducing the population drastically .


So I think that whatever poster you award your GD to , you need to do it on the basis of characteristics like whether the post is (and therefore the poster presumably) - Constructive , Accurate , honest , relevant , reasonable etc ,etc.

Usually I think it will boil down to whether or not you 'like" the person or not , if you value the characteristics against which you are judging !


Easy Peasy ! : )

Art,
I had my own personal reason for pursuing Bessler's work.Her name is A.C. Barnes. I've actually designed a custom wheel. Kind of why I would spend a couple thousand dollars to set up a wood shop in a couple of months.
I have told her that if someone else builds Mt 39 to show that Bessler wasn't a fraud, that's okay because then everyone would be wanting to see the A.C. Bessler.
And what I do know is that John Collins and Scott Ellis have done a lot of work so we can have this forum. And working wheels would probably lead to a documentary about rediscovering Bessler's work. And those involved would probably be in the documentary. I tend to watch a lot of Nova.

https://www.ket.org/series/NOVA/

edited to add: the show on U-166 is worth watching. If a zip code is requested, enter 40502.