It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit

[ken_behrendt]

Changing one's mind on a design or principle is probably a good thing in the long run. It shows that one is adaptable and in a constant state of learning from experience. I have had times when I was convinced that I knew the "secret" of PM only to find out, after the latest gadget I build using the principle failed, that I was dead wrong. When I am mistaken, I always try to admit it as soon as possible. That way I free myself up faster so that I can go on to explore other designs and principles and I do not lead others astray who might have been impressed by my mistaken beliefs.

Unfortunately, we live in a society that has made everybody phobic about admitting that they were wrong or messed up. Sometimes I think we've been programmed to believe that if we do not admit our mistakes, then they somehow never happened. Well, we PM seekers know better!

Many inventors waste years pursuing designs that they can not make work. Perhaps they think if they just apply a bit more effort, then they'll finally achieve PM with the design. Meanwhile, they are not pursuing fresh new approaches that might help them achieve their goal.

From studying Bessler's life and work, it is abundantly clear that he must have fairly quickly built and tested his way through dozens of different approaches in his efforts to achieve PM. I think that as soon as he realized he was traveling down a dead end, he would back track and start off in a new direction. That mindset coupled with his various crafting skills and his sheer strength of will, finally allowed him to succeed...

ken

[underdog]

HI KEN .
Long time since we had exchange of ideas. you have been "hung on the springs" for too long yourself!.
and is so good to see you back, discussing general issues in highly analytical and impressive fashion ,once more!...... after reading your posts most of time ,makes me feel better about myself!

Many inventors waste years pursuing designs that they can not make work. Perhaps they think if they just apply a bit more effort, then they'll finally achieve PM with the design. Meanwhile, they are not pursuing fresh new approaches that might help them achieve their goal.

It is so human ,and can be of tragical consequences to our life ,and hurt people we care about!
Yet in other hand ,sometime Stubbornness can pay off! ,so you figure it out!...

thanks for being yourself, KEN

[rks1878]

Wheels and under-dog:

Sometimes I say things just to get a response. It drives my family crazy.

Don't let it get to you.


Anybody know where the parts of a wheel model found in J.E.E.B's shop after his death made off to???

A lot of documents were apparently saved and preserved. Who's got the parts, particularly the axle????

[james kelly]

When you say things to get a response is a good tactic. AS a profeesional, i have had hundreds of men working for me. If you give a lazy person something to do, he will figure out an easier way to do it. jim kelly

[Wheeler]

Hello James
How are you?

[james kelly]

I am an awful lot better. I thank you for concern. jim kelly

[Wheeler]

That is good news!

[rks1878]

As for me now, I'm starting over with my method. My wheel diameter is too small.
I'm going to build one like the Gera wheel, 6 feet diameter, but about 6 inches thick this time. I want to put an electric motor to it so that it turns at the reported 60 rpm, pull up a chair and just watch and meditate about what it could have had inside to move the weights that centrifugal force wouldn't have "pegged" to the sides or whatever.
I think as the wheel diameters grew larger, that is what mainly made the rpms decrease.
It had better be "simple".

[rks1878]

Here is a picture of my wheel.

[bluesgtr44]

I can see it, Robert...I can see it! I want to say a huge BRAVO to you. This has been my approach now for some time since I found an easy way to do it...crank the mother up and see what happens at the higher RPM's! If it cannot hold up...back to the drawing board. It does not mean that the information one might get from this is a total loss. It just shows one what they are up against in trying to get a functioning PPM device.

I think you can still get some useful info out of the wheel you have...hook a small crank up to it, Rob. Turn it at different acclelerations and just watch what it does. I still am amazed at all the different reactions at varying speeds and accelerations of many kinds of designs I have come up with.

I do most of mine in WM2D...When I do build, I will use the same application by attaching a crank or variable motor of some sort to work within this reality (accelerated quickly to 50-60 RPM's). I am sure that this is a viable approach to solving JB's one directional wheel and can only aid in finding the solution.

If it cannot beat the centrifugal force in the 6 to 9 quadrant, you've got a problem...AND it beats it right off the bat...has to be HELD back. Let the rope go and away IT goes. You take a large long log, tie a rope around the middle...let it just hang over an edge and tie the other end of the rope off and just let it hang there...It wants to fall but it is held back. That is how the one directional wheels were...ready to fall, just untie the rope.

I really liked Ken's description...like you are always falling forward and just catching yourself...for eternity. Think about it folks...let's just say 50 RPM's, I mean...If you can't even get it to maintain a full rotation of simulated OOB, do you think 50 RPM's is even an after thought? OH, and the physical structure has to hold up. I believe the real world builders, of whom I have the utmost respect for, can agree to this. The structure will have to be very stable to endure the amount of stress that will be laid upon it, should it have any resemblance of JB's first wheel.

This what I see...he beat that quadrant. I think he may have totally avoided it via mechanical device or found a way to use it...I'm leaning more towards the first...he avoided it. I base this on the fact that his one directional wheels had to be tied off. Now, when I say avoided...do not take that too literally, they do not just disappear or mystically move. He avoided that force somehow.

Speed up some of your research if you are actually trying to find the Bessler solution...start cranking up the RPM's early and see what it does...could save you a lot of time and trouble.


Steve

[bluesgtr44]

Oh Rob...Really like the pic...what a great shot of the last sunlight. Where is it at?

Steve

[rks1878]

The shot is from the road behind my shop in Luray, Virginia. You see the date stamp.

[bluesgtr44]

Yep...see the time stamp. I lived in the Tidewater are of Virginia for about 16 yrs. It is a beautiful state.


Steve

[rks1878]

Consider this statistic....

60 mph = 5280 ft/min

A 6 ft. dia. wheel at 60 rpm is 13,571.68 ft./min. @ the rim

This wheel if was running on the ground or on a dynamometer, would be traveling 154.22 mph.

[racer270]

geez........ i need a set for my car..............
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gordy