Policy Change -- Sockpuppets & Reputation System

[KAS]

Ahh, a troll. Not another one. The tell tale "hahaha" gave it away.

[ME]

ME but those people insulting me are OK?
This place is messed up. Why do people accept the harassment?
Are you scared?
You admonish me for not tolerating it. But say nothing to them as they insult me?
That's a completely ignorant stance to take. I will not conform to yours or anyone elses stupidity.
This is a messed up place. Hahaha

Let's repost my private message:

Told ya... pros and cons...
Not to be right, be it's how reality seems to work.
Don't let it control you: this forum is a good educator, because you can still walk away.
Obviously you're not going to dump your mechanism upon me, so how can I help?

Both ignorance and assault are only solutions for the ones who can not cope or unaware.
When all information is clear, there is simply no reason for such action.
Choice was offered - you don't see.

[agor95]

I am asking members to having a weeding day.

That is were we work together to improve the forum.

A way to do that is we delete our posts that have negative or overtly offensive text.

This many require letting go were you feel it's justified.

There is to much hate in this world.

Then we all should hit the red dot together quietly.
Also if we give a green dot then declare so in a post.

If we stay polite and give positive advice then the forum will improve.
We can then highlight anti-social users and do some weeding.

All the best.

[ME]

I get your point agor95, but I think the dot-system should remain anonymous.

[agor95]

@ME

I agree we red dot anonymous.

You can green dot with or without a post; as you appreciate the persons post.

It would be good too generate respect.

Ho You have a green dot form me some time ago.
That was due to your sound and positive thinking.

[ME]

eeh, who wrote that? ("It would be good too generate respect."), sure I didn't.

[jim_mich]

Scott set the dot-system back to zero. All of the older dots, be they red or green were erased. And Scott said he changed the system so that members who have never posted cant give dots. This was done to eliminate sock-puppets being used to boost reputations. If a new member simply posts and says "Hi", then he can give red and green dots.

I used to have the highest reputation, simply because I was polite to people and attempted to help them. And many of those gave me green dots. And many of them have left the forum and never visit anymore. So when the reputation system was reset. I lost all that past good reputation.

Because Bill and cloud camper and others keeps trying to dirty my reputation, I no longer have a top reputation. Such matters little to me. I am what I am.

I think every time a member breaks the forum rules by instigating personal attacks, they should lose reputation points, while those who retaliate should be given a free pass for few post for retaliating.

Scott used to bounce the bad apples out real quick when the forum was new. Such could happen again if someone would simply report rule breaking to Scott each time it happens. Just press that little exclamation mark at the top-right of all offending posts.

[agor95]

@Jim

There is an exception to every rule. I have hit your green dot.
You are respected and I remember you as a positive person.

However stay polite and positive.
And with the weeding day we will get back that which has been lost.

I think it is best not to attack in return. Help us get your system status back.
It's a process of cleaning up your posts.

If we want to used the Rules we need to live by them.

Best Regards

[ME]

Jim, at the very least you have made positive and valuable contributions to this forum in the past.

I understand your defensive actions and your dilemma with your best design where -when understood correctly- your sharing balances between enthusiasm and protection. I think that you are at least trying to explain some of your ideas, up to some point. Perhaps that's debatable situation (worse according to some, a non-issue for others) -but that's why we have a discussion-forum and the dot-system- Everyone has the ability to weigh this against those other contributions of yours because of the search option and/or past encounters.

Certain (recent) individuals here do not have such leverage.

That's why I (again) promote an expiration system, where re-dotting is necessary on some gliding scale.
It's not a holy, or elitarian system - only a useful indicator.


Agor, we can't clean-up our posts... (I think there's a 24hr edit-limit)
But we could use some form of self-discipline.

(edit: typo)

[Mark]

And Scott said he changed the system so that members who have never posted cant give dots. This was done to eliminate sock-puppets being used to boost reputations.

Changing the system so that members who have never posted can't give dots does not eliminate sockpuppets from being used to boost reputations.

As you indicated, all it takes to activate a sockpuppet's ability to influence the rep system is a single post by that member account. A post of any kind would suffice; "Oops, sorry... I changed my mind." - "post deleted" - an empty post with nothing but a 'period' - a spam link - etc.

Not that it makes a bean's worth of difference, most members don't give a rat's butt about sockpuppets and their "influence". [me included!]
The results from the poll on this thread, and the poll from back when Scott first ran the idea up the flagpole prove that.

I think most people here realize that a sockpuppet's influence is trivial, at most.

[agor95]

@Mark

I did not even know the term 'Sockpuppets' until this site introduced the idea.

Also a simple vote on a poll is not that hard. So I am surprised how low the voter numbers are when one is done. It's just a descent thing to do for another member.

We as this is Scott's and it's proposed we should support him and he has supported the members.

If the active members working together on this then we will be better off.

[ovyyus]

@Jim... I remember you as a positive person.

That was several years ago, before JM started claiming that his ideas or concepts could be defined as 'something that works', and before JM started calling anyone who disagreed with his nonsense, trolls, idiots, ignorant, bullys, morons, liars, etc. Now he calls into question the changes made to our rep system because his current rating isn't high enough. Duh!

Interestingly, JM is seen to be supporting a new troll on our forum. JM is claiming everyone is wrong to ask questions of Clyde in order to better understand what might be going on. Let's look at the sequence:

Clyde's very first post is an attack on our rep system and an ultimatum. Clyde's second post is a new topic to ask what to do with his 'working gravity engine'. My response is to direct Clyde to the forum search feature and to ask if he could please provide his definition of 'working'. JM then embarks on a rant about his 'Plan' and calls me a liar, he also accuses me of attacking Clyde and asking rude questions and claims he was somehow personally offended. JM accuses the whole forum of attacking Clyde first. JM and Clyde discuss meeting one another because, by some weird coincidence, they happen to live close to one another. JM then calls into question recent changes to our rep system because his rep is not high enough.

JM appears under the mistaken belief that everyone here are idiots and that he is somehow the smartest kid on the block. Unfortunately for him this place is populated with individuals who are puzzle solving fanatics and who can think for themselves :D

[Tarsier79]

"A working wheel" by defenition should be a physical build. Changing the goalposts is idiocy. The goalposts are where they were for a reason. In my book, they will remain in the same position they always have.

I have before made the mistake of measuring and calculating a test incorrectly and thinking I have the answer. It can be an easy mistake to make.

I for one give greenies anonymousely, but am happy to inform on my reddies, and the reasons why.

[james.lindgard]

Scott set the dot-system back to zero. All of the older dots, be they red or green were erased. And Scott said he changed the system so that members who have never posted cant give dots. This was done to eliminate sock-puppets being used to boost reputations. If a new member simply posts and says "Hi", then he can give red and green dots.

I used to have the highest reputation, simply because I was polite to people and attempted to help them. And many of those gave me green dots. And many of them have left the forum and never visit anymore. So when the reputation system was reset. I lost all that past good reputation.

Because Bill and cloud camper and others keeps trying to dirty my reputation, I no longer have a top reputation. Such matters little to me. I am what I am.

I think every time a member breaks the forum rules by instigating personal attacks, they should lose reputation points, while those who retaliate should be given a free pass for few post for retaliating.

Scott used to bounce the bad apples out real quick when the forum was new. Such could happen again if someone would simply report rule breaking to Scott each time it happens. Just press that little exclamation mark at the top-right of all offending posts.

This is funny because I have shown Scott where AB Hammer attributed a quote to Scott in another forum. No source was given and do believe the quote by Scott was entirely fictitious.

[AB Hammer]

This is funny because I have shown Scott where AB Hammer attributed a quote to Scott in another forum. No source was given and do believe the quote by Scott was entirely fictitious.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... d&start=75

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:02 am ( 10th post down the page )

Stop filling the forum up with your lies.