Matter and Energy

[John doe]

The only way to have a different force or energy from two of the exact same mass, is to change the acceleration ! F= MA a lighter mass can only lift a heavier mass slower

But mass also increases with acceleration

[WaltzCee]

I noticed a very weird thing.



38 guests? That's strange.

[WaltzCee]

Yes I have a speech impediment at you going to make fun of me?

You're doing a fine job all by yourself. You don't need my help.

[Furcurequs]

jim_mich,

Are you visiting from one of those hypothetical alternate universes in which the laws of physics are supposed to be different?! That could certainly explain some things - including your confusion while here in our universe!

...and it would most definitely be a better explanation, well, in regards to you, than what is likely the real explanation for what is going on here.

Just when I start thinking about how I've never seen such ignorance and ineptitude coupled with such arrogance and self-righteousness before, you then surprise me by going on to show me even more!

Seriously, dude, you have some issues with reality.

At the very least, and for the benefit of those in the forum without a formal education in science, maybe you need to preface your posts with your "my words are my own opinion" thing, for they are not at all in agreement with accepted science.

ETA: ...an "and."

[Furcurequs]

Although I I do find his posts helpful in an "devils advocate" sort of way.

I noticed you stuttered.

I wouldn't quite put it that way yet I have real examples of where I feel Jim has blessed me.

Jim's an asset.

Jim CAN be an asset, but when he's not misleading people by promoting absolute nonsense as if it were fact and when he's not being deliberately deceptive with the entire forum to try to cover up his undeniable errors and when he's not calling some of the most intelligent, knowledgeable and/or capable people in this forum "idiots."

Of course, I guess his now position of "devil's advocate" can be beneficial in an indirect way. Those of us who despise his dishonesty and falsehoods might actually speak up even more and help where we can in perhaps pointing those who actually care about the truth in the right direction.

[WaltzCee]

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40 guests on the forum now. Hey guests. Glad you're here, I guess . .

[Fcdriver]

The only way to have a different force or energy from two of the exact same mass, is to change the acceleration ! F= MA a lighter mass can only lift a heavier mass slower

But mass also increases with acceleration

Mass does not increase the force to slow it increases.

[WaltzCee]

Last edited by Furcurequs on Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:13 pm; edited 1 time in total. (7 percent)

What did you edit?

[Wubbly]

40 guests on the forum now. Hey guests. Glad you're here

The guests consist of matter, but couldn't find the energy to log in.

[Furcurequs]

Last edited by Furcurequs on Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:13 pm; edited 1 time in total. (7 percent)

What did you edit?

I corrected an error in grammar by adding an "ly" to the word "deliberate" to get the adverb "deliberately!"

If I have to edit my post again, though, I might choose to also add some cuss words!

So, stay tuned and be alert!

[eccentrically1]

Here is another example from a physics textbook

https://books.google.com/books?id=tpU18 ... &q&f=false

[ME]

I am totally perplexed here. What an amazing analysis !!

That will show Jim! But what was the purpose exactly?
.. ah never mind, it showed Jim anyway.

Is someone please able to rewrite all the formula's so we can apply it all to our wheels !!
In the meantime, I agree with Jim and just use classical mechanics.
(So I'm awaiting the new formula's)

[jim_mich]

You, eccentrically1, are so overly educated that you fail to see the obvious. The original question or concept involves whether or not a spring gets heavier when compressed due to the stored up energy of compression. (Or extension in the case of an extensions type spring.

Eccentrically1, the book that you linked to is discussing atomic transformation, the collision of "two particles". And the spring shown is "merely a device for visualizing energy storage. It is not even a real life spring.

The current question was, does a spring get heavier when compressed. The answer from EC's text book is any change in mass is too small to be observed. And the spring shown is not a real spring. And in real life, you might need an atom-smasher to drive two particles together in such a fashion that they might push back like a spring. In real life, such collisions of particles might stick together and form some new molecule or nuclear particle.

Let me once again explain that in the case of a spring, the energy is stored by compressing molecules closer together or pulling them farther apart. And this simply stresses the molecular bonds of the atoms of the material. The energy involved does not change the amount of mass of the material involved. The energy involved with springs is not nuclear transformations. It is simple molecular bonds being stressed. The number of molecules in a spring does not change. And the spring does not change mass when stressed.

[WaltzCee]

The guests consist of matter, but couldn't find the energy to log in.

Maybe undocumented voters?

[ME]

The issue in this topic: the wrong mc² is used.