low friction mechanical roller bearing

[AldenPark]

It seems to me that the highest priority problem that needs to be solved in producing a Bessler like wheel is to produce a high load bearing, low friction bearing that hopefully does not need lubrication (if it operates nearly completely by rolling without slipping). I say highest priority since if there is an energy source (such as by extracting energy from gravity), then the energy might be mechanically accumulated without energy loss to friction if there also exists such a new type of bearing.
Has anyone attempted to form a computer simulation of the digital cooperative roller bearing where many hemispherical lobes take turns rolling without slipping in slightly larger hemispherical lobe holes, which lobes and lobe holes might be in special cylindrical arrangements? On my Internet site I use the name Orffyrean roller bearing to refer my discussions of such roller bearing variants.

[Jonathan]

I have been to your site before but have not been able to understand what you're talking about. I think it would really help if you had pictures on the site or posted here for reference.

[Neo]

Hello Alden,


Their is such a device it's called a Rolamite ...here is the website

http://www.rexresearch.com/wilkes/1wilkes.htm

Read the entire thing and look at his patents...you will be surprised how much the rotary version looks like your design :)

[Jonathan]

That is very interesting, but I don't see a PM application beyond reducing friction, or is there not one? And I still don't understand what Alden Park has to add because I don't understand the ideas at his website.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi AldenPark,
first of all, you did a great job in research.

I have also searched for a sidewards moving without loosing energy.
Now i found the solution for that problem. When we put two cylinders, carrying a excentic weight each, connected with a spring, put on a lever, the rollers can move sidewards without loosing energy.
The picture is shown under Georgs ideas 'well balanced too'.

Best regards

Georg

[Jonathan]

I forgot to reply and tell you all that the day (or day after?) this thread was started I successfully made a simple linear Rolamite out of K'nex and masking tape. Given that the parts I used are not perfectly circular, it is actually harder to move than just sliding an object, but it is really more due to the pieces cyclically changing diameter slightly, forcing the housing to cyclically warp, so I do think it does really have very little friction and most of the energy I use to move the disks is used up in warping and heating the housing. Nontheless it gave me some things to think about and I had fun.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Jonathan,
why don't you make experiments with 'well balanced too'. I will show you on Georg's ideas how such a mechanism can climb up, using inertia.

[Jonathan]

I'm sorry Georg, but I am just incapable of following any of your ideas. As I said before, doing experiments you describe is for me like trying to do experiments described by a 4 year old. Not because you are stupid, but because I can understand each equally well.
I didn't understand how well balanced too is supposed to work or what it is supposed to do, and at the moment I think the centripetal etc. thread is more promising, as I think will be shown by a post there I am about to make.

[AldenPark]

Rotary Rolamite. I don't think that the rotary Rolamite solution is nearly good enough with respect to heavy load bearing and it doesn't solve the problem of transverse shifting with time. I am familiar with the Rolamite since my family and my wife's family lived in Albuquerque. Of all the Rolamite samples that we got from Sandia, I think I only have one left (and I think it was my wife's) that has survived our (or my) playing with it/them. I try to avoid playing with it for fear it will go the way that all the others went. Rolamites are great fun to play with and can be used for many things. Still, has someone actually tried to rapidly spin a large, heavy wheel (with low air friction) about a horizontal axis, using rotary Rolamite bearings?
Bessler solved the problems centuries ago (with his Orffyrean roller bearing) that I think the modern rotary Rolamite doesn't solve, namely heavy load bearing with no transverse shifting/slippage with time. There is no need for any thin, strong, flexible bands (that are subjected to great pressures during very high loading tests) that might tend to be destroyed with time (or even play).
Orffyrean Roller Bearing Checkerboard Pattern. I suggest that one try the simplest checkerboard or chessboard like pattern of Orffyrean holes and slightly larger lobe holes as suggested by my standing, faint, second Bessler wheel still vision. It was very hard to see with my eyes open and regular light interfering (and my memory of it is not strong, as it was years ago and I errored in not fully pondering it as much as I should have at that time). I began openly discussing the Orffyrean roller bearing at least as far back as when I published my paper openly on the Internet on 24 July 2001 (ie. almost four years ago). Although it has long been in my mind the very highest priority for people who are serious about solving the Bessler wheel problem, I am currently aware of no real prototypes or even simulations being built. I suppose that the subject seemed too mundane but it is the Bessler wheel solution. If it is solved, then the Bessler wheel problem is solved about as fast as you can wrap any sort of wheel around the bearing. I am hoping that the message finally gets through to someone out there who is interested in solving the real Bessler wheel problem. Please don't contact me with any financial schemes. I would now suggest that some capable people try an engineering approach that Bessler probably used (after doing some calculations (continuing calculations from my Bessler wheel paper) or modeling). I suggest that Courier-like or fixed spacing type set fonts be used that have either orb lobes or slightly larger lobe holes on them (the orb lobes are all the same size) (the orb holes are all the same size) and pack them in tightly in a checkerboard pattern, adhering tightly onto the appropriate surfaces of the cylinders (see my Bessler wheel paper for some cylinder size clues) and then just try it using as heavy loads as they will bear. Let it run a lot if necessary (if it can be run). You may need to go back to the "drawing board", if things are not planned carefully enough (but maybe you don't want to get stuck in the planning stage). You may need to recast the two types of "letters" but it might be helpful if slightly malleable materials are used on earlier prototypes. Usage will help you determine what the more precise shapes need to be. Keep iterating until your lobes and holes are correct and recast with stronger materials. Does anyone have any of Bessler's old printing hardware? Orffyreus was giving clues all over the place in hindsight. Notice the two second-level chiasms in the proper title of his Apologia (one clear and the other hidden). Did he use Courier-like or equal spacing fonts somewhere in his writings? I would guess he did somewhere. Have fun and remember as ordinary as your efforts may seem, you are doing an important and most essential step in reinventing the "wheel" that was lost. Has someone discovered a huge level chiasm using Bessler's scriptures as the far chiastic ends? If that is possible, it might provide many more clues from the chiastic correspondences. Note that at the time I published on the Internet my 24 July 2001 paper, I did not fully understand that the orbs and orb holes needed to be curved in both tangential and transverse directions. I should have paid greater attention to Bessler's little children playing with heavy clubs by swinging to the next broken column.
AEP - 22 July 2005 (President Hinckley's 95th birthday)

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[racer270]

no "c" in Gordon b. hinkley allen............my wife was a morman.....

[bluesgtr44]

Hello Mr. Park...I have been to your sight a good few times. It is interesting, but like Jonathan...I have a very hard time following most of it. No offense, but to me it is not very well developed and presented...thus the confusion.

Am I to understand that you do not believe the weights had much if anything to do with Besslers wheels? It had been stated by him that "these weights are essentially the force behind the wheel"...or something along those lines. It appears as though you lean towards the idea that Bessler was very misleading as far as his superficial writings and statements are concerned...the real solution is within the chiastic interpretations that you have come up with (and, boy did I NOT EVEN understand how you did that!)

I see a great similarity between the "romalite" and your drawing of the bearing. As you said...they may not be the same, but am I to understand that the concept is the same...it's just that romalite won't cut it? Oh, I thought I was getting an understanding at one point about your pendulum...then I saw your drawing and was very confused... I will admit that I probably have not given this enough credit, but it is basically because I just cannot put it all together the way it is presented. I do however admire the extent to which you have gone to try and solve this mystery. Thanks for your time Mr. Park!


Steve

[jim_mich]

Alden,

I too find your site very hard to read. Someone once said if you can't write your idea on a 3 x 5 file card then you don't understand it yourself. Or something to that effect. This is why US patents require an abstract which is a single paragraph (about 150 words or less) that describes the invention. This way a reader need not plow through dozens of pages of hard to read text before getting a rough understanding of what is being talked about.

[murilo]

In the meanwhile... if I met a good PM draw and build it, I'll get a power surplus, ok?
Supose my surplus is equal to 10... if I have command of the stuff, I may decide to put 10%, or 15% of this bornning power to work against friction in the shaft of the wheel.
If a device will depend so much of a bearing, it's not a PM. OK?
A good real PM will not offer a proportional friction x power. regs. M.

[Fletcher]

My interpretation of Alden's theory.

Take a vertical thin wheel with low aerodynamic drag & with mass positioned near the circumference to give high Rotational Kinetic Energy.

Spin it up to very high revolutions on essentially a frictionless bearing ...

When a critical speed (RPM) is achieved "gravity" will provide extra force in the direction of rotation, enough to overcome any losses such as drag.

Once that critical RPM is reached free energy from gravity is produced which can then be used to either speed it up further (increase its momentum like a flywheel & store PE) or it can be bled off to do work.

Observation :

JB's wheels turned at relatively low RPM & slower RPM under constant load. His one-way wheels self started even with a load attached. His bi-directional wheels required only a light push to self accelerate.

Consider a completely frictionless bearing for the moment & give it the benefit of the doubt. Remember there was always aerodynamic drag as well as other losses to contend with.

Questions :

How does Alden's theory cope with loads similar to JB's wheels if it can't cope with an "ALMOST" frictionless bearing available today, let alone aerodynamic drag ?

Perhaps I've missed the importance of a pendulum & how it contributes to the surplus energy creation ? Could someone explain ?

Thought :

Could excess free energy from gravity be realistically achieved in the manner Alden proposes ?

[Jonathan]

As I understand the pendulum, there is a wheel attached to it so it may spin, or be fixed. As the pendulum falls, the wheel is attached. At the nadir, the wheel releases. As the pendulum rises, it slows, but the wheel keeps right on spinning. Once it reaches an extremum, the wheel is locked, and since it was spinning relative to the pendulum, this gives it a kick. The pendulum then reaches an extremum slighly higher than it started at. As far as I can tell the bearings are irrelevant as long as they are tolerable. I do not think this method will work: if the wheel were not relocked, the pendulum, even w/o friction, would not reach the same height it started from (since some of it's energy is in the wheel; BTW, I've neglected to point out that Alden calls this wheel the Torque Governor wheel). If the wheel does relock, then it does give the energy it has back to the pendulum. But because of CoAM, it is still guaranteed not to reach the original height, even w/o friction.