Help finding online MT total book
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Help finding online MT total book
I am trying to find again the online MT book that shows all the pages and page sizes and their positions in a binded book. Can anyone direct me to the book it would be most appreciated.
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Not sure if this is what you are looking for but will throw it out there.
http://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/vi ... 8641226/1/
http://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/vi ... 8641226/1/
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Yes it was! Thank you barkalot I had lost mine. I have hit your green dot for taking the time to help me 8) It is quite a remarkable book. I wonder if Bessler did the binding?
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Is there anyway of downloading them all instead of doing it one page at a time?
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Dax,
Being totally computer literate I am of no help. I did find that I had better control over sizing and dragging using the DFG Viewer Version 3.0 located on the left of the opening page.
Ralph
Being totally computer literate I am of no help. I did find that I had better control over sizing and dragging using the DFG Viewer Version 3.0 located on the left of the opening page.
Ralph
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daxwc,
Do you use a Windows machine? ...or something else?
On my Linux I just used the program "wget" on the command line to download all the page images into a folder.
There is a wget for Windows, too, though. So, assuming you have a Windows machine, you could install that and I might then be able to help you.
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm
The easiest way would probably be for me to upload a list of all the urls called something like "list_links.txt" and you could then put it into a folder and use the wget command "wget -i list_links.txt". The only problem would be the file names on the images would be long and ugly.
I'd have to review some Windows batch file commands, since it's been so long since I've used Windows, to be able to rename the images to something more suitable.
...or perhaps I could just zip up my folder of MT jpgs into a 66 MB file and upload it to a temporary file storage place like ExpireBox which I just found on Google and then give the link which should be available to you for about 48 hours before it goes bye bye:
http://expirebox.com/download/68f2d5a5d ... f042f.html
Let me know which is the best option, though. We, of course, might actually learn a little more the first way, but the second way could certainly be a bit easier for both of us.
I don't think there would be a copyright issue with the second option since the images are from an "open repository" library and are of an out-of-copyright book. Our use could be fair use, anyway, I guess. If the website says otherwise and I've just missed it, let me know. I, of course, don't really read German.
Of course, Google gets away with storing and serving up cached copies of pretty much the entire internet, anyway, so worst case, I'll just pretend like I'm a big moneyed corporation for a little while.
The above are my cached copies of the images from those web pages. Like Google would say, though, as they serve up others' images in their own business model, these images may be in copyright! ...and the ORKA library didn't opt out from my web crawler!
Do you use a Windows machine? ...or something else?
On my Linux I just used the program "wget" on the command line to download all the page images into a folder.
There is a wget for Windows, too, though. So, assuming you have a Windows machine, you could install that and I might then be able to help you.
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm
The easiest way would probably be for me to upload a list of all the urls called something like "list_links.txt" and you could then put it into a folder and use the wget command "wget -i list_links.txt". The only problem would be the file names on the images would be long and ugly.
I'd have to review some Windows batch file commands, since it's been so long since I've used Windows, to be able to rename the images to something more suitable.
...or perhaps I could just zip up my folder of MT jpgs into a 66 MB file and upload it to a temporary file storage place like ExpireBox which I just found on Google and then give the link which should be available to you for about 48 hours before it goes bye bye:
http://expirebox.com/download/68f2d5a5d ... f042f.html
Let me know which is the best option, though. We, of course, might actually learn a little more the first way, but the second way could certainly be a bit easier for both of us.
I don't think there would be a copyright issue with the second option since the images are from an "open repository" library and are of an out-of-copyright book. Our use could be fair use, anyway, I guess. If the website says otherwise and I've just missed it, let me know. I, of course, don't really read German.
Of course, Google gets away with storing and serving up cached copies of pretty much the entire internet, anyway, so worst case, I'll just pretend like I'm a big moneyed corporation for a little while.
The above are my cached copies of the images from those web pages. Like Google would say, though, as they serve up others' images in their own business model, these images may be in copyright! ...and the ORKA library didn't opt out from my web crawler!
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Thank You Dwayne !
Since I already punched your greenie the day after the apocalypse.... I guess I'll have to fire up one of my sockpuppet accounts and hit you again!
Thank You Dwayne !
Since I already punched your greenie the day after the apocalypse.... I guess I'll have to fire up one of my sockpuppet accounts and hit you again!
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You're welcome, Mark.
...lol
...and thanks...
...but, really?! This only deserves just one of your sock puppet votes?! Aw, shucks. I was hoping for at least 2 - maybe 3! :(
...haha
Actually, I haven't red or green dotted anyone myself since the apocalypse. (...well, except for a temporary test dotting. ...lol) I'd personally just as well do without a reputation system.
So, good luck trying to sway my behavior with your darn dots!
Seriously, though, if anyone sees something on that website requesting that their images not be shared, please let me know.
Of course, other Bessler works can be had in full for free from those that have scanned them and put them online, so I'm assuming this one isn't much different. ...unless they use their page viewer to display them specifically to avoid that?
Libraries seem to typically be into sharing as much information as they can legally get away with, though, actually... ...so.. ...? Oh, and remember?! Major libraries let Google get inside and scan everything - including copyrighted works!
I'd personally would certainly try to respect anyone's copyright, if it's an issue.
Okay, I'll quit worrying...
If you need a page super-sized, let me know. I have the toys page in a 10,000 x 9,680 pixel 11 MB jpg, for instance. It's very much overkill, however. ...unless perhaps you are looking for specks of Bessler's dandruff or a skin mite or something.
...lol
...and thanks...
...but, really?! This only deserves just one of your sock puppet votes?! Aw, shucks. I was hoping for at least 2 - maybe 3! :(
...haha
Actually, I haven't red or green dotted anyone myself since the apocalypse. (...well, except for a temporary test dotting. ...lol) I'd personally just as well do without a reputation system.
So, good luck trying to sway my behavior with your darn dots!
Seriously, though, if anyone sees something on that website requesting that their images not be shared, please let me know.
Of course, other Bessler works can be had in full for free from those that have scanned them and put them online, so I'm assuming this one isn't much different. ...unless they use their page viewer to display them specifically to avoid that?
Libraries seem to typically be into sharing as much information as they can legally get away with, though, actually... ...so.. ...? Oh, and remember?! Major libraries let Google get inside and scan everything - including copyrighted works!
I'd personally would certainly try to respect anyone's copyright, if it's an issue.
Okay, I'll quit worrying...
If you need a page super-sized, let me know. I have the toys page in a 10,000 x 9,680 pixel 11 MB jpg, for instance. It's very much overkill, however. ...unless perhaps you are looking for specks of Bessler's dandruff or a skin mite or something.
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I thought I would remind people that John Collins sells a copy of the MT that I believe has an English translation. So, unless you can read Bessler's scribbling and in the German, then you might want to consider that.
I don't (yet?) have that particular one, but I do have some of John Collins' other publications, both his book and translations, and would certainly recommend them.
I've been calling it old German, but I don't know if that is the proper classification. The time frame may actually make it Early New High German. ...unless the location also affects the category?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... igh_German
Maybe one of our translator types knows for sure?
I don't (yet?) have that particular one, but I do have some of John Collins' other publications, both his book and translations, and would certainly recommend them.
I've been calling it old German, but I don't know if that is the proper classification. The time frame may actually make it Early New High German. ...unless the location also affects the category?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... igh_German
Maybe one of our translator types knows for sure?
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Also, our very own 'besslerwiki' includes English translations of Bessler's MT notes:Furcurequs wrote:I thought I would remind people that John Collins sells a copy of the MT that I believe has an English translation. So, unless you can read Bessler's scribbling and in the German, then you might want to consider that.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... =Portal:MT
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Thanks, Bill.
Yeah, I failed to mention that.
...maybe because last I had looked, I was under the impression that the wiki translations were incomplete.
Now that I've looked again, however, and compared them to the original MT, I see that perhaps I was wrong. I just hadn't paid enough attention to the original to see that so many of the drawings didn't have comments.
Are all the translations there in the wiki now?
Yeah, I failed to mention that.
...maybe because last I had looked, I was under the impression that the wiki translations were incomplete.
Now that I've looked again, however, and compared them to the original MT, I see that perhaps I was wrong. I just hadn't paid enough attention to the original to see that so many of the drawings didn't have comments.
Are all the translations there in the wiki now?
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Furcurequs:
Furcurequs I use windows and am still lost. If you ever have some extra time I need step by step explianation of how to copy it into a folder. It must be a huge folder when you are done?
Yes, but I am interested in exact scale and page sizes. Not all pages are the same size and I am not sure all JC's MT's are to scale.I thought I would remind people that John Collins sells a copy of the MT that I believe has an English translation. So, unless you can read Bessler's scribbling and in the German, then you might want to consider that.
Furcurequs I use windows and am still lost. If you ever have some extra time I need step by step explianation of how to copy it into a folder. It must be a huge folder when you are done?
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Hi daxwc,
I did something similar to what Furcurequs has suggested and have a folder of 116 items averaging about 200MB each.
I'm on a mac, but I used a browser plugin to auto download the files using wildcards to get the right names, etc. I can give exact details if you still need them?
I did something similar to what Furcurequs has suggested and have a folder of 116 items averaging about 200MB each.
I'm on a mac, but I used a browser plugin to auto download the files using wildcards to get the right names, etc. I can give exact details if you still need them?
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Yes since I don’t even know what a browser plugin is? You mean a procedure where you just paste it into the browser?
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Well, add-on is probably more accurate. DownThemAll is a free Firefox add-on.
Read this just to get an overview, and I'll write up specifics for the MT sight and using this add-on. If you don't or can't use FF, let me know. There's probably other ways to do this same thing in other browsers.
http://www.downthemall.net/howto/help/e ... scriptors/
Read this just to get an overview, and I'll write up specifics for the MT sight and using this add-on. If you don't or can't use FF, let me know. There's probably other ways to do this same thing in other browsers.
http://www.downthemall.net/howto/help/e ... scriptors/