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[raj]

Hello Agor95,
It opens possibilities that need to be looked into.

Raj

[Tarsier79]

No Probs Raj.

Im not sure what you see in the pictures of that toy. For it to have any benefit in a gravity system, you have to first turn it 90 degrees, so the controlling weight (not sure which one you want that to be) is lifted to positively affect rotation.

On a side note (but I hope related) I used to think you could drive the mechanisms by 90 degree intervals, so a weight falling at the top always pushes out the horizontal weights one way, creating permanent imbalance...

[Fcdriver]

You only have to turn 90 degrees, Before moving a very short distance causing it to move back up. The distance traveled of the weight back and forth is much shorter than the 90 degree distance! A kid on a seesaw only moves slightly, back and forth a very small distance compared to the distance they travel up and down!

Tarsier79 if you get over trying to rotate, or lifting back what you drop, you might open your eyes to see what is going on, instead of what you are trying or wanting to happen!

[Tarsier79]

FC, stop presuming what I am or am not trying to do. You are a liar. You do not have, or know how to build a sustaining reciprocating device. The gain you get from only rotating slightly is the same amount you lose in the lift, just as it would be if you rotated 5 degrees, or 35, or 180, or 360 degrees. Your misunderstanding of this fact has caused you to jump the gun and claim success when you have no chance of it.

[raj]

Using (MT137) Children Toy game mechanism adapted and applied in my NEW WHEEL concept???

Remember: " ... for anyone who know how to apply the game in a DIFFERENT way." dixit Bessler.

Raj

[raj]

My above concept also adapted and applied children '' Hen Pecking'' toy strings/weight mechanism. This toy also dates back pre-Bessler's time.

Raj

[daxwc]

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=ch ... ood%20toys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwjA7cyl75g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWOieI3pMKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJXjKO7jsA


Google search Russian traditional wooden toys.

[rasselasss]

Excuse the interruption Raj to the chain of thought,..when i think of balance shifting i always think ...Dippy Bird..Good Luck...

[rasselasss]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/innova ... ion608.htm

[raj]

Dear Daxwc,
These toys have existed for centuries, even before Besslers MT137 drawing.
How come these very simple toy mechanisms have not been used or even discussed, in our search for a working PM wheel to-date???

Raj

[raj]

I am on this forum quite a long time, and since then I have come to learn about Bessler's MT drawings.
I have found these MT drawings very interesting, but I never use any of them in my search for any of my wheel concepts.

I could NEVER know how MT137 toy was meant to work or to be played, until this week, AND NOW, the flood gate of possibilities is open.

All my drawings and concepts come to my free wheeling mind and logic. Only after I see something interesting in any of my new drawings and concepts that I try to see if there is any similarity with any of Bessler's MT drawings.

Raj

[raj]

It is obvious from this drawing that the diametrically opposite pairs of weights(4) are being pulled upwards ( in the Z-plane) by connecting strings(6&7) at the 6 and 12 o'clock positions simultaneously by swinging central disc(3).

It is obvious from this drawing that wheel(1) is overly overbalanced on one side.

Edited/Addded on 30/07/2016

1. Can we see Bessler's reference to ''Peacock tail'' in the above drawing?
2. Can we see Bessler's reference to " a disc around a fix axle' in the drawing above?
3. Can we see Bessler's reference to " the weights themselves provide the force by their motion" in the drawing above?

MOST LIKELY NOT!

Raj

[ruggerodk]

One should try these toys connected to a Foucault pendulum....

[agor95]

This is were my imagination takes me.

Start with the toy simplified. 2 Pendulum and the controlling frame.
Lock it in it's middle state.

Place that in on a rotating disc. Then place a counter weight to allow
free non-keeling rotation.

Then remove the lock on the frame.

The toy will flip due to gravity and CF will increase the stress the hammer exerts on the middle stop.

Some latching to hold that spring stress. Then release stress to trigger the flip.

[DannyBouy]

Hi Raj,

yes, Compressing Reservoirs of variable shapes, which also give variable volumes.

These are the most underestimated MT drawing of all, I am convinced (Edit, based on my real life compression tests) that there will be variations that will work, and still have many options on my to build list.

Hello Trevor,

What would you say are the best examples of this from the MT drawings?


Thanks
Daniel