His Secret Is In The Levers

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Preoccupied,

thanks for sharing your design with us, it looks interesting and I hope it translate into a working wheel.

So although the box is not empty, it still does not contain a real life running wheel, as in, first show something that works (a working wheel).

Anyway, I wish you all the best with this, and any other designs you maybe working on.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi ME,

your quote,

True statements there! My girl watches them all: "downton-abbey", "crown".... Should explain why I'm here that often.

A good drama can be entertaining, but the drama here falls well short of that, and lands in the annoying section.

[james.lindgard]

The math is simpler than the build. With levers, when they rotate 180°, they automatically reset.

Multiple levers not just two! 6 levers only need to move the wheeel 60 degrees each, 8 levers 45 degrees each!

The math is simple: things need to be slightly more.

For example, consider a pendulum stuck at 12 o'clock.
It needs some slight offset (N) to start moving clockwise or anti. Perhaps N=0.00001 degrees.
The pendulum will rotate (360-2*N) degrees at its mathematical best, before it reverses rotation.
Hence a lever needs an additional trick to induce an action which results in a gain of at least (2*N), no matter how the lever is partitioned.

After the wheel completes a single rotation, or after a single force is applied to the wheel, the motion drives the wheel unceasingly

Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum

Johann Bessler, Kassel, 1719, pp. 16-23

http://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html

[james.lindgard]

Jame's

your Bessler's wheel work here is commendable, and is not my issue here. It is all the world is against me stuff (drama) that comes with it that is a issue.

I am sure nobody here wishes you any harm, there are some here having a bit of fun with you, because you are to easy, but I see no malice in there comments, only a bit of banter, as people do, and that is how you should see it, just a bit of friendly banter.

Like ME suggests, you should be proud of your heritage, the only true Americans, are the true American Indians, the rest are a mix and match, just like most countries, and that is not a bad thing at all, once you take away the extremism elements.

Trevor,
Why are you guys making an issue out of my father being a Norwegian ?
After all, Americans did like him. They always gave him good advice like Go Back To Norway. Americans are so helpful that way.
That's my father's problem. With me, I can not have a family in America because I am a disabled Veteran. That's my problem. As for Bessler, I think the problem there is that no one thinks he was successful.
And it's that last part which is why I am probably am caused so many problems in here.
Still, do have a U.S. Congressman's office trying to help me with my health situation. He actively supports Veteran's by using his office to help them. I like that. And at the moment, his office is asking the Veteran's Administration Medical Center why they have issued fraudulent medical reports to omit the fact that my colon is in the wrong physical location.
Because of that, I'll probably need an ileostomy. If so, then I won't be able to eat a hamburger again. And that is my problem.

[james.lindgard]

Not sure if the gif will work in here but will try posting it. While only 1 weight moves, it's not finished but having a weight on a lever move inward while the wheel is rotating might not be something people in here can consider. After all, I am the only one working on it, right ?
File size, will try youtube, if so will attach a link.
Youtube added the effects but if anyone watches the weight on the left, as the wheel rotates, it moves inward. That'd be the Mt 26 effect.
And any more, think I will take it easy because I should be idle until my medical situation is resolved.

https://youtu.be/kmO7cVT5U9k

[ME]

After the wheel completes a single rotation, or after a single force is applied to the wheel, the motion drives the wheel unceasingly

Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum
Johann Bessler, Kassel, 1719, pp. 16-23

Which is basically an operational instruction, we still need to figure out what that actually means.

The mechanism itself must be able to generate/induce an equivalent force (thus torque) for each successive rotation; to become an improvement over a pendulum-like wheel.
I see such action as some kind of "addition"; each rotation adds a little bit of torque. Even though the effect likely diminishes per each rotation, probably related to angular velocity and centrifugals. Maybe T=r x F = r·F·cos( w / f.max ), with (f.max) being some max rotational frequency.
But such effect should most likely make it self-starting.
As that's not the case according to this specific text it could imply there's some "multiplication"-effect. I don't know what could be multiplied even though it would be nice if that would be momentum.
It's possible this "addition" and "multiplication" is just the same thing: I'm just grasping at straws here.

Attached: The probable path of that weight?

[jim_mich]

Why are you making such an issue out of my being wrong? Maybe I thought her accent sounded Russian or Donald married another Russian woman.
And yet you attack me. As it has been said in this thread, I am Norwegian and that is the only reason needed to dislike me.
As for Slovenia, not sure but many countries in that area speak Russian.

Hey, I did not make an issue out of you being wrong. It was YOU that made an issue about me correcting your obvious error.

What you SHOULD have done was simply say "Oops, sorry, I made a mistake."

Instead you threw a temper tantrum like a little child. Grow up. And why to you keep bringing up your ancestry?

Still, need surgery before building and have seen no one in here with serious medical issues attacked like me. And as AB Hammer posted, cancer can nnot be used as an excuse.

Come on now. Cloud camper attacked me with a vengeance while I was too weak to build my wheel. I got so weak I could hardly walk twenty feet without almost fainting. The rest is history. I now live on transfusions because of my leukemia cancer. So stop bellyaching.

[agor95]

@ME

I like your thinking - good work.

[jim_mich]

Jim_Mich is German

No, only partly German, mostly English, even a tad bit of American Indian (does this make me a true American?). Ancestry makes little difference towards intelligence. Parents make a big difference.

[james.lindgard]

After the wheel completes a single rotation, or after a single force is applied to the wheel, the motion drives the wheel unceasingly

Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum
Johann Bessler, Kassel, 1719, pp. 16-23

Which is basically an operational instruction, we still need to figure out what that actually means.

The mechanism itself must be able to generate/induce an equivalent force (thus torque) for each successive rotation; to become an improvement over a pendulum-like wheel.
I see such action as some kind of "addition"; each rotation adds a little bit of torque. Even though the effect likely diminishes per each rotation, probably related to angular velocity and centrifugals. Maybe T=r x F = r·F·cos( w / f.max ), with (f.max) being some max rotational frequency.
But such effect should most likely make it self-starting.
As that's not the case according to this specific text it could imply there's some "multiplication"-effect. I don't know what could be multiplied even though it would be nice if that would be momentum.
It's possible this "addition" and "multiplication" is just the same thing: I'm just grasping at straws here.

Attached: The probable path of that weight?

ME,
I am going to stop posting in here. Too much garbage being spewed.
Maybe Jim_Mich can explain why Moment of Inertia matters.
Besides, when Trevor told me to shut up and all Jim_Mich was posting is that I was a liar, not sure why that's my problem.

[preoccupied]

Jim_Mich is German

No, only partly German, mostly English, even a tad bit of American Indian (does this make me a true American?). Ancestry makes little difference towards intelligence. Parents make a big difference.

I guess I honestly don't know what I am. My Mom has said various things and I think what she has said has changed off and on so I don't think she knows what is in her or me. Everybody that I know is white. So I'm white?

[james.lindgard]

@ME,
Many quotes exist where Bessler either pushed his wheel or it started on it's own. With what I have been showing, the wheels can self start. I didn't miss anything as you say. I mention this because you keep repeating that I missed the energy to make the wheel work. This means that either you're creating a problem for some reason or you don't get it. I don't know which it is.
The 2 drawings show that if the wheel starts with the top weight at 30° after top center, the over balance would cause it to rotate on it's own. And yes, this is a lot of work which is why I've had to work alone. No one it seems wants to think that Bessler had to take the time to learn something to do what he did. And as for building, I'll probably be the only person in this forum that builds any Bessler wheels. This is because I can put my ego aside and give credit to Bessler for the work that he did do. After all, what I am posting is not my way but is the way Bessler would have done it and that seems to bother the vocal minority in here. Kind of like Walt telling me to shut up but do post work. That's a joke in itself because then other people could take credit for my work. Like Argo95 posting he likes how you think. I guess he hasn't seen what I've posted and that's why if I post in here any more I will put my name along with Bessler's on every drawing I show. After all, I have put in a number of years in realizing this which includes the builds that I have done.

@preoccupied,
You told me that I need to do complicated like you. And if I don't do as you do, then I can't know anything. I guess that's what happens when a person only has white, English speaking friends. They are limited by everything being the same. I'm not limited to a specific norm such as a person like yourself is.
Of course, I could say that my service connected hearing loss has required me to be open to other ways of doing things because as any American who is not a Veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces will tell me, they had better things to do than to serve their country.

edited to add how the lines of force might look. The red line would be the approximate path that the primary weights follow while the blue line would be the weight wheels on the lever. I did omit the weight wheels extending and retracting as it is not important at this time as hopefully everyone will realize that they do shift in a controlled manner.

[preoccupied]

james.lindgard I showed you guys Bessler's wheel. Just don't use it because it will change Earth's rotation around the sun and kill all life on Earth. I think there is advantages to having only white speaking friends. I have never been mugged and I don't know anybody who has been mugged. In nearby Pontiac sometimes there is four or five stories at a time in the newspaper about armed robbery. That's a black populated community.

[ME]

I didn't miss anything as you say. I mention this because you keep repeating that I missed the energy to make the wheel work. This means that either you're creating a problem for some reason or you don't get it. I don't know which it is.

The only time I specifically addressed your design was when I tried to determine the probable path of that weight by posting that attachment. I'm still wondering about your correction though: just settle for that i'm not getting it yet. The rest of my talk was general-speak about common problems.

Your correction (nov 12): Your blue-line looks reasonably balanced, your red-line shows the path of overbalance; but I don't know how it gets there - or, I'm yet unfamiliar with your design..
Perhaps your new images are enough so I could make that animation for you when I find the time for it: and yes the credits remain yours, or Bessler's if you want.

I guess it was obvious, perhaps it needs to be addressed: I have no authority over your work or your ideas, and neither has anyone else...!
What we do have are opinions and our own ideas, which are either relevant or irrelevant and could either help or clash with your own opinions and/or ideas.
When it helps then "you're welcome", when it clashes then you could have an indication what needs to be clarified (at a certain point you also need to explain it to the rest of world)... or not, and just ignore.

All the best,
Marchello E.

[WaltzCee]

Fcdriver, paint dry yet?

Hey, that's my line!