His Secret Is In The Levers

[WaltzCee]

I have no authority over your work or your ideas, and neither has anyone else...

I think James disagrees with you.

[james.lindgard]

I didn't miss anything as you say. I mention this because you keep repeating that I missed the energy to make the wheel work. This means that either you're creating a problem for some reason or you don't get it. I don't know which it is.

The only time I specifically addressed your design was when I tried to determine the probable path of that weight by posting that attachment. I'm still wondering about your correction though: just settle for that i'm not getting it yet. The rest of my talk was general-speak about common problems.

Your correction (nov 12): Your blue-line looks reasonably balanced, your red-line shows the path of overbalance; but I don't know how it gets there - or, I'm yet unfamiliar with your design..
Perhaps your new images are enough so I could make that animation for you when I find the time for it: and yes the credits remain yours, or Bessler's if you want.

I guess it was obvious, perhaps it needs to be addressed: I have no authority over your work or your ideas, and neither has anyone else...!
What we do have are opinions and our own ideas, which are either relevant or irrelevant and could either help or clash with your own opinions and/or ideas.
When it helps then "you're welcome", when it clashes then you could have an indication what needs to be clarified (at a certain point you also need to explain it to the rest of world)... or not, and just ignore.

All the best,
Marchello E.

Marchello,
Some people in here would like to see someone they like receive credit for realizing Bessler's wheel. Kind of why I have a red dot and am told to only post work.
One reason why I have been posting my work in here is because there are forum members who want to see it. And since they do not post their opinion isn't supposed to matter. You know, like being allowed to give a green dot. That allows for the aristocracy in this forum to aggressively pursue anyone who isn't a part of it and is probably why many people will not post in here. They do see what happens to me.
That is why I do not support a rating system, it encourages cronyism.
As for Bessler. I have told a Bart Jaski who works for a rare book library and has an original Bessler book that I thought displaying Bessler's wheel along with his book would be a vindication in a way for Bessler.
As for my attitude, I guess people don't understand that Bessler's wheel used specific principles in engineering. And if someone doesn't take the time to learn that then they'll never understand what Bessler knew.
And one thing I have become aware of in this forum is that people can only understand torque in it's basic form and that is if a pendulum rotates 90° from the level of it's fulcrum to bottom center below it.
And with what I posted, if people could understand the relationship between the work that torque allows for and how an imbalance is decreased by offsetting a lever or pendulum, then they'd start understanding what Bessler knew.
As for his wheels, his clues are for different wheels. And it seems that people can't separate or filter is clues according to specific engineering criteria.


Jim

edited to add;

the link is to some info about Bart Jaski; http://www.uu.nl/staff/BJaski

http://www.academia.edu/4956423/Inexhaustible_energy

[ME]

I don't know what you mean by aristocracy, cronyism, nepotism or other kinds of favoritism roaming this forum;
I guess I should know as I seem to be top-green (even before the dot-reset). Perhaps I received those dots by accident, or missed some initiation party, didn't read the dot-manual, or never received the memo...
[Insert: oh wait... that's what we would all say ]

So until I do I try to provide feedback as far as I can and understand. If you're under the impression I'm missing some crucial information, perhaps you could educate me because for now I have absolutely no idea what Bessler engineered.

[james.lindgard]

@All,
With the attached image, the levers are not offset, the work they can perform is equal to the imbalance of the out of balance lever and weight.
An example is if the out of balance weight performed 6 in. lbs. of work, then an over balanced weight can only have an equal 6 in. lbs. of force.
For those who use the metric system, that is 0.678 N-m's of work. This I think everyone can understand. And that is if a weight drops 6 in. or 15 cm's it can only lift another weight the same 6 in. or 15 cm's.
And this is where offsetting levers in my opinion allows for less force to be used to reset levers and weights that are out of balance.
And this is where understanding how a wheel having a positive net torque allows for continuous rotation. And in my opinion, it is necessary to understand how torque is calculated.

Jim

edited to correct grammar.

@Preoccupied, as they say, it's a free country. If you are more comfortable around people like yourself, not my problem. As for Bessler, have you looked at how much the Earth weighs and how that translates into momentum ?
5.972 × 10^24 kg * 30 kilometers per second. In order for perpetual wheels to have an effect on the Earth's rotation, it would require the kinetic energy to be significant and I just don't think many people will build a Bessler type wheel. After all, the engineering itself seems to be more than most people care to consider. And since it is a machine, if a person doesn't like DYI projects then building a Bessler wheel would be something they should probably avoid trying.

[james.lindgard]

@All,
I think it would be best if I don't post in here. After all, I should be banned because people like Jim_Mich and AB Hammer don't like me. and as AB Hammer posted, if he catches anyone giving me a green dot, he'll deal with them. Kind of wonder why Scott allows someone to threaten or be abusive towards other forum members.
And Jim_Mich, because you like to lie, I won't be surprised if there is a Constitutional Amendment after Trump's presidency in which First Ladies have to be American born. That is a requirement of the President as this hopefully has someone in the White House that likes America. With Trump's wife being from Slovenia, she might tell the President unless you modify foreign policy to make the wife happy, then life in the White House would be difficult.
And ME, there is a reason why I am the most banned person in here, it's because I show my work. I build what I post.
That's why I would say I understand Bessler's work, it is because I actually took the time which is many years and actually worked at it. And for that I have a red dot to show. all that tells me is that I am a threat to some people's reputations because they can't be an expert on Bessler if they don't understand how his clues relate to the actual mechanics of his wheels.
And if you rotate the picture in the last post 90° you'll see that the distance the lever is shifted to the right would be equal to the distance the over balanced weight is to the right. Why the over balance is canceled out by the imbalance. and as I said, I doubt people in here understand how torque is converted into work.


Jim

[jim_mich]

Mr. Lindgard, are you trying to pick a fight?

With Trump's wife being from Slovenia,

This is all you needed to do, admit that Trumps wife, the soon to be first lady, is from Slovenia, and thus is NOT Russian.

And Jim_Mich, because you like to lie,

Why do you say I like to lie. I never lie. I've been mistaken on a few occasions, but never lied Bill tried to claim that I lied. And I proved that it was Bill that lied about be, after he jumped to a wrong assumption.

I won't be surprised if there is a Constitutional Amendment after Trump's presidency in which First Ladies have to be American born.

What hogwash. Trump is a man. He is not pussy-whipped. Besides, Melania Trump is an American citizen.

there is a reason why I am the most banned person in here, it's because I show my work.

No, you are deluded. The reason you are the most banned forum member is simply because you are obnoxious and you keep attacking people for no reason. I did not attack you. I simply pointed out your mistake of posting an untrue statement saying Melania Trump was Russian. All you needed to do was to say, "Oops." Instead you have gone on a rant attacking me and claiming "poor you" are being picked on.

The truth is you pick on people who point out your mistakes.

Now go take your meds, straighten up, and fly right. Stop attacking me.
I did not attack you. I simply pointed out your error concerning our new First Lady.

[ME]

AB didn't post here, so that's a non-issue... you still have my green (I posted my how&why somewhere else), I am convinced I annoy some people too and have some deserved hidden red-flags.
Jim_mich has other issues and unrelated to your build...
Other people praised you for your builds.

I'm almost certain you get banned because of your strong defensive mode. You don't have to post here, but when you do then don't be surprised you get some replies (obviously the diversity of people gives a diversity of opinions) -- the other option is: being ignored..

And that is if a weight drops 6 in. or 15 cm's it can only lift another weight the same 6 in. or 15 cm's.

Or lift two weights 3 inch.
(as with the example of my pendulum, it needs a bit more to overcome a balanced situation)
It's unfortunately never easy....

Some observations/questions based on some incomplete information about the mechanical arrangements... I'll try anyway:

I agree, your left weight (which is I guess 15 deg. below the horizon) versus your right weight causes an over-balance: making it rotate clockwise (Let's call this pair "LR")
Now your top-weight versus your bottom-weight are also over-balanced: adding to the cw-rotation (let;s call this pair "TB").
After 7.5 degrees those LR-weights start to create a counter-clockwise balance.
Q-1. your animation showed the left-one of the LR-weights rolling towards the center, which is good for creating the LR-overbalance, but I suspect it's bad when such includes the lifting of the TB-weights.

As I'm just eye-balling (not calculating) the situation:
Let's say the top/bottom weights are enough (I don't know yet) to make the wheel rotate 90 deg. clockwise. Now, something has to happen because as those TB-weights are horizontally it takes the least effort to slide things back into some neutral position. While the left one of the LR-weights needs to rotate 15 degrees horizontally to get it back to neutral.
Q-2. Are you sure it can get to this point?

Perhaps it can.
After it's able to rotate 90+15 the Left LR-weight has the ability to drop back to its position. As it needs to accelerate a bit faster than the current speed of the wheel it will probably start somewhere around 90+30 degrees.
When this return also implies the reset of the TB-weights to some neutral point it might take some more degrees as those TB's now need to be lifted.
Q-3. Are the LR-weights constantly tied to the TB-weights?

It's possible the reset of the Left- implies the drop of the Right-weight (now almost rotated to the left-side), and then (depending on the answer at Q-3) implies the raising of those TB-weight... let me stop here.

[AB Hammer]

@All,
I think it would be best if I don't post in here. After all, I should be banned because people like Jim_Mich and AB Hammer don't like me. and as AB Hammer posted, if he catches anyone giving me a green dot, he'll deal with them. Kind of wonder why Scott allows someone to threaten or be abusive towards other forum members.
And Jim_Mich, because you like to lie, I won't be surprised if there is a Constitutional Amendment after Trump's presidency in which First Ladies have to be American born. That is a requirement of the President as this hopefully has someone in the White House that likes America. With Trump's wife being from Slovenia, she might tell the President unless you modify foreign policy to make the wife happy, then life in the White House would be difficult.
And ME, there is a reason why I am the most banned person in here, it's because I show my work. I build what I post.
That's why I would say I understand Bessler's work, it is because I actually took the time which is many years and actually worked at it. And for that I have a red dot to show. all that tells me is that I am a threat to some people's reputations because they can't be an expert on Bessler if they don't understand how his clues relate to the actual mechanics of his wheels.
And if you rotate the picture in the last post 90° you'll see that the distance the lever is shifted to the right would be equal to the distance the over balanced weight is to the right. Why the over balance is canceled out by the imbalance. and as I said, I doubt people in here understand how torque is converted into work.


Jim

( and as AB Hammer posted, if he catches anyone giving me a green dot, he'll deal with them. )

A total false statement that never happened, stated by James Lindgaard.

Please just do your work and leave me out of it. I don't want to post on your string to try to keep things peaceful, thank you!.

[james.lindgard]

AB Hammer,
You did. After all, if you have green dots and your friends in here supporting you, then you have power over me. And you have always maintained that one day I will dance for you. And I translate that as when I post, it will be in the way that you want me to so you can tell everyone, see without an American man telling Jim what to do, he couldn't have been successful.

@All,
Ab Hammer used to encourage people to attack me for posting my work. Kind of why I don't like him. Like the people in here who post they use math and then change that to they go by "feel" or "vision", the only reason AB Hammer needs for attacking me. Without math he can't understand Bessler's drawings.

And AB Hammer, since you claim to be a disabled Veteran with better than a 50% rating from the V.a., does this mean your injuries did not come from the accident you say caused you to lose your job in Arkansas even though you lost your job 6 or 7 years before your accident ?And if your injuries are service connected then that means you suffered no injuries from your accident, right ?

@All, keep trusting your friend. Like many of you, he could care less if Bessler's wheel is realized because that's not why he's here. And I have been told that by quite a few people.

[james.lindgard]

AB didn't post here, so that's a non-issue... you still have my green (I posted my how&why somewhere else), I am convinced I annoy some people too and have some deserved hidden red-flags.
Jim_mich has other issues and unrelated to your build...
Other people praised you for your builds.

I'm almost certain you get banned because of your strong defensive mode. You don't have to post here, but when you do then don't be surprised you get some replies (obviously the diversity of people gives a diversity of opinions) -- the other option is: being ignored..

And that is if a weight drops 6 in. or 15 cm's it can only lift another weight the same 6 in. or 15 cm's.

Or lift two weights 3 inch.
(as with the example of my pendulum, it needs a bit more to overcome a balanced situation)
It's unfortunately never easy....

Some observations/questions based on some incomplete information about the mechanical arrangements... I'll try anyway:

I agree, your left weight (which is I guess 15 deg. below the horizon) versus your right weight causes an over-balance: making it rotate clockwise (Let's call this pair "LR")
Now your top-weight versus your bottom-weight are also over-balanced: adding to the cw-rotation (let;s call this pair "TB").
After 7.5 degrees those LR-weights start to create a counter-clockwise balance.
Q-1. your animation showed the left-one of the LR-weights rolling towards the center, which is good for creating the LR-overbalance, but I suspect it's bad when such includes the lifting of the TB-weights.

As I'm just eye-balling (not calculating) the situation:
Let's say the top/bottom weights are enough (I don't know yet) to make the wheel rotate 90 deg. clockwise. Now, something has to happen because as those TB-weights are horizontally it takes the least effort to slide things back into some neutral position. While the left one of the LR-weights needs to rotate 15 degrees horizontally to get it back to neutral.
Q-2. Are you sure it can get to this point?

Perhaps it can.
After it's able to rotate 90+15 the Left LR-weight has the ability to drop back to its position. As it needs to accelerate a bit faster than the current speed of the wheel it will probably start somewhere around 90+30 degrees.
When this return also implies the reset of the TB-weights to some neutral point it might take some more degrees as those TB's now need to be lifted.
Q-3. Are the LR-weights constantly tied to the TB-weights?

It's possible the reset of the Left- implies the drop of the Right-weight (now almost rotated to the left-side), and then (depending on the answer at Q-3) implies the raising of those TB-weight... let me stop here.

ME,
The simulation was incomplete, I think this is where my trying to explain the basic premise has been taken off topic too many times by people calling me a liar or by saying how white their friends are.
Maybe AB Hammer can explain it. After all, people are free to attack me because they have nothing better to do.

[james.lindgard]

AB Hammer,
I know this doesn't matter but if I want to post in a forum, unless you are in that forum posting with me, it's not up to you to tell me who I can post with or how I have to post.
And as for making coffee, until I make coffee your way and you have actually tried it so you will know I followed your instructions, I can't post any more work in here.

And ME, if you don't get it, I'm a Norwegian (even though I am an American) and you don't live in an English speaking country. Why can't white English speaking people from white English speaking countries discuss Bessler's engineering ? Maybe it's because he wasn't from a white English speaking country. That does seem to be the theme in this forum.


Jim

[preoccupied]

The real Bessler wheel design is similar to James lindgard's obsession. The weights (colored) fall in the same direction. The shifting weights pump springs and springs uncoiling can turn the wheel. This is the real Bessler wheel. It works, I just didn't draw it very good. You can't use it though because if you use gravity for energy it will kill all life on Earth by changing the rotation of the Earth around the sun.

[AB Hammer]

AB Hammer,
You did. After all, if you have green dots and your friends in here supporting you, then you have power over me. And you have always maintained that one day I will dance for you. And I translate that as when I post, it will be in the way that you want me to so you can tell everyone, see without an American man telling Jim what to do, he couldn't have been successful.

@All,
Ab Hammer used to encourage people to attack me for posting my work. Kind of why I don't like him. Like the people in here who post they use math and then change that to they go by "feel" or "vision", the only reason AB Hammer needs for attacking me. Without math he can't understand Bessler's drawings.

And AB Hammer, since you claim to be a disabled Veteran with better than a 50% rating from the V.a., does this mean your injuries did not come from the accident you say caused you to lose your job in Arkansas even though you lost your job 6 or 7 years before your accident ?And if your injuries are service connected then that means you suffered no injuries from your accident, right ?

@All, keep trusting your friend. Like many of you, he could care less if Bessler's wheel is realized because that's not why he's here. And I have been told that by quite a few people.

Lindgaard

Your slanderous lies have no place on honest forums. Stick with the quest, and for your sakes, forget I even exist.

[james.lindgard]

AB Hammer,
It seems all you can do is call me a liar or tell me what to do. And AB Hammer,
I can't post work in here any more. There are forum leaders like yourself that are worthy of 5 green dots and can lead by example. Not mine though. Posting work and then demonstrating it is what you and Jim_Mich call a liar and a fraud and this forum should remember people like you.
This is because birds of a feather flock together. And AB Hammer, I have been quoting you. Thing is no one found Bessler's drawings worth studying except for me. It's not a good convetsational topic on here about how work can be converted into torque. A person needs to have spme interest in math and mechanics.
One example might be how spark ignition timing effects the lift and duration of a cam and it's valve timing. That might be the closest comparison.
And AB Hammer, I have my own work that I can pursue. And yet all you seem to want to do is boss me around. And AB Hammer, my medical situation is worse than yours and yet you always attacked me for that or for pursuing Bessler's work.

[james.lindgard]

The real Bessler wheel design is similar to James lindgard's obsession. The weights (colored) fall in the same direction. The shifting weights pump springs and springs uncoiling can turn the wheel. This is the real Bessler wheel. It works, I just didn't draw it very good. You can't use it though because if you use gravity for energy it will kill all life on Earth by changing the rotation of the Earth around the sun.

It's not an obssession. Americans believe it is their right to discriminate against me because of my service connected hearing loss. You're just another example and I am sure like AB Hammer that you never served in the Armed Forces of the United States, right?
And I guess you don't think people who served in the Armed Forces don't deserve to have a life because you haven't done anything with your own life.