low friction mechanical roller bearing

[Fletcher]

Thanks for clearing that up Jonathan.

It seems as long as you give the locking wheel (torque governor) an appreciable shove & thereby introduce KE into the system, the minimal losses from the bearing & low aerodynamic drag should allow it to rotate for a while. In effect the mechs trade acceleration & angular momentum i.e. between the locking wheel & the pendulum. Soon however, it is my opinion that the reserves of energy inputted to start the process off will be lost from the system & it will slow & stop.

Interestingly enough this is very similar to Georg's THEORY. His wheel consists of 2 parts. An external wheel & an inner wheel. The inner wheel somehow becomes unbalanced & as it swings around its axis like a pendulum it "grabs" (friction drag) the outer wheel which is accelerated up to speed. He then says that you have to brake the outer wheel at the appropriate time & somehow transfer some of that angular momentum back to the internal wheel to regauage the process, similar to Alden's. He is adamant that this process will break the laws of Conservation of Angular Momentum.

See the similarities here ? The difference is Alden says subatomic forces cause the effect while Georg calls them trouble force or perturbance force.

For both of them there is still the issue of self starting or running while under any appreciable load. I'd be happy to see either just running on a test bed with no load.

[Jonathan]

It's my understanding that the outer wheel is entirely optional in Alden's design, but I should say that I don't get half of what he says.

[AldenPark]

Note that I wanted to post the bottom portion of my 22 July 2005 posting to this subject using a Courier or fixed spacing font, but I could not figure out how to produce such a font in the posting. Jim_Mich suggested I use the "code" button so I can try that later. I currently think that it was a checkerboard metal type pattern that Bessler used for his metal lobes and lobe holes on the surfaces of the cylinders (used in constructing the Orffyrean roller bearing). When it came time to destroy his wheel, I think he would remove the type pieces (squares with either a lobe or a lobe hole on the face of each one) from the surfaces of his cylinders, quickly hide or destroy them, and quickly put the cylinders with his other printing hardware. I suppose that his various printing hardware made a great cover for protecting any roller bearing hardware (that he did not destroy) because that is what it was (as long as someone didn't find the character fonts that didn't have letters of the alphabet on their face but rather had either a lobe or a lobe hole). If a fire could be made hot enough, associated with destroying his wheel, he might have melted down the Orffyrean characters (either saving the master version of them elsewhere or knowing how to reconstruct them at some later time). My guess is that he melted them down in the hottest portion of the fire as that would protect things better, and "burning his wheel" might have afforded him the perfect cover for melting them down. I don't know if a fire would have been hot enough to melt down his cylinders. Preparing to print portions of Apologia near the time of building the Kassel wheel may have on the construction side served as a perfect cover for the construction of the Orffyrean roller bearing for the Kassel wheel.
See the front figure of my 2001 paper for a possible arrangement of the inner cylinders. The six cylinders are shown in black about a larger black cylinder (the stationary axle). A larger outer cylinder (understood to be there but not shown in my front figure) would contain all seven cylinders.
I have made some comments in topics: Can someone explain..., Simplified Bessler Pendulum, Simplest Mechanism of the Bessler wheel is Itself with Orffyrean roller bearing, Are Ranque tube end temperatures attitude dependent?, rotating nuclear-ground-states, and two part "electrostatic" graviton
Has someone tried an experiment in space of orienting a cylinder with a stable principal axis so that that axis is horizontal and then rotating it a little. Does it pick up or acquire additional angular speed from the gravitons or not? My thinking about the two-part graviton would indicate that it should acquire angular speed. I don't think that would be in accordance with general relativity (but I am not sure). I recall reading in Infinite Energy something like three years before Einstein died he wrote that his theories of continuous structures might be castles in the sky. Does someone have the correct quote or reference?

[ME]

For you I hope your theory is not a castle in the sky, but I think it's better to give us smaller portions to digest. You can't expect of children to understand algabra, when they just learned how to count from 1 to 10.

But when you talk about a Bessler wheel, you talk about a wheel rotating at 1 Hz, with the outer rim going 2pi (m/s). I think that differences in time, gravitational pull and thus nuclear groundstates are neclectable, and do only apply with giant wheels (several miles wide), giant speed (at least faster than 3 times the speed of sound in air), and with high performance equipment. I don't think a zero-friction, highspeed nuclear groundstate challenging offyrean roller bearing - made of wood, or at best copper - was in reach of people at the period of clockmakers.
I think with the bessler wheel only highschool physics apply like weight, force, rotation, inertia, kinetic and potential energy, friction, leverage, and maybe (unlikely but possible) static electricity... you know: the stuff known by carpenter boys.

[Vic Hays]

It takes imagination and innovation to be an inventor. Alden certainly seems to have these. Along with these qualities it also takes someone who is ready to deal with the real world. If Alden is able to prove and use his graviton theories he might have something. Otherwise the idea of Bessler relying on extremely good bearings is not very realistic considering the speed and work the wheel was able to do. If normal bearing drag will keep the wheel from working then the wheel is not practical as a power source.

[bluesgtr44]

Mr. Park...If I am to understand what you are saying, with the Orffyrean Bearing...a light weight, well balanced wheel would continue to rotate on it's own when spun up to the right RPM's. This wheel in essence would have no real power except that which is induced to attain PM.

Now, we attach your pendulum device and we have a system that can actually perform work. This is the "driver"...the bearing is the "runner"...the wheel is just.....a "cover"?..."governor"?..."aero-dynamic enclosure"?..."aesthetically pleasing"? I am intrigued by your association with MT13...it has intrigued me also. I think I have a small understanding of what your pendulum device is supposed to do. My confusion comes in with the bearing somehow being more important than the "driving" force behind the wheel. I fail to see how the bearing could have that much influence on the velocity. Need more coffee! I do appreciate you time Mr. Park.


Steve

[rlortie]

Vic,
Your quote;

It takes imagination and innovation to be an inventor. Alden certainly seems to have these.

Orffyrean roller bearings are one of his imaginations, but for innovation and inventions, I am at a loss to see any. A good science fiction author he would make. Or maybe a politician as I have never seen anyone write so much and say so little that is understandable from a laymans view.

Alden, if you are reading this, I was once asked if I thought you were on drugs? My reply was of course that I had no idea. But I did say that you showed signs of being high on your religious and church influence.

Your repeated reference to Orffyean roller bearings has been heard time and time again. If you know what they are, then fulfill Vic's statement by showing us a proof of concept. Then you can actually be referred to as an inventor who has recovered lost technology. In the meantime they are just pie in the sky and of no basis for your claims.

I ask you outright, Have you ever invented or fabricated any thing of physical concept related to Bessler, or is it all on paper as a hypothesis?

Ralph

[AldenPark]

Responding to bluesgtr44 Sat 23 Jul, 2005 9:46 am post, I do not believe the weights had much if anything to do with Bessler's wheels save they provided mass to the wheel and thus a source of energy for the wheel and they helped dissipate excess energy so that the wheel not run so rapidly (they were a planned inefficiency and a decoy distraction to keep people's thoughts away from the Orffyrean roller bearing itself). The weights did contribute force behind the wheel but they would have contributed more if they were stationary and not dissipating energy. I tend to lean toward the idea that Bessler was generally quite truthful but he sometimes withheld some information by not saying everything he knew about. He often chose his words very carefully so as to be truthful but to not give away information about his real invention in the process. I don't know for sure if a rotary Rolamite won't really cut it. I doubt that it will but that is my own opinion. I was hoping that someone had actually tried the experiment and could tell me. Load it up and try it. I suspect that it won't provide and industrial grade solution for producing energy but maybe the principle may be seen. The Orffyrean roller bearing is I think a superior solution. I am sorry about my being confusing. Part of the problem is just me and I need to communicate better. Part of the problem is that my surviving Internet site is way out of date not showing many notes and ideas and improvements on the ideas. Again sorry. Maybe things will become more clear with time. That may not be much help but I am trying to be helpful given my constraints.

I am way behind on reading/ responding on this subject. I will just make a post and see if I can somehow with time catch up.

I suppose if one gave the six surrounding cylinders around the axle cylinder each larger radii than I showed in my front figure, then there would be more planer contact or solid contact for load transference. I was just making my best guesses with the information that I knew at the time. Has someone done simulations of these sort of things since I published my paper in 2001?

I see that someone somehow fixed the prior checkerboard pattern that I tried to show. Thank you. Here is another attempt at showing prior thoughts regarding the checkerboard pattern of the Orffyrean font "characters" set in metal type. I am this time intending to directly use the suggestion or the "code" button to produce the Courier or fixed spacing font.

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It would be helpful if Bessler left us with a record of how much an intermediate cylinder travels in angle, while there is static rolling contact for a particular orb lobe (or for an orb lobe hole) in the outermost cylinder of his Orffyrean roller bearing. Maybe he has. Just look at Bessler's final figure in Apologia and notice how far a white sector wedge angle is "subtended" on the outside. Otherwise the lobes or lobe holes of the intermediate cylinders are just "hanging out in space". Bessler shows many white dots embedded within a black background in this region. That is just another interpretation of Bessler's final figure. See page 189 of John Collins' 1997 book. If that is one of the correct interpretations, then it should indirectly provide an estimate of the radii of the intermediate cylinders. As Bessler said in his little book "My deeds will not be revealed prematurely.", I suppose we may not know if that is a correct interpretation of his final figure until after the fact or after we have unraveled it sufficiently.
The figure also seems to suggest that a particular lobe (or lobe hole) of an intermediate cylinder will make static contact three times with the inner surface of the outer roller bearing cylinder, otherwise, it is either just hanging out in space or having static rolling contact with the inner axle cylinder. That is another idea that may or may not be helpful. It appears that a lobe or lobe hole of an intermediate cylinder will always come into contact with the same three points on the outer containing cylinder and only those three points so if there is a minor imperfection in a lobe (or hole) it will not precess and communicate the imperfection to many holes (or lobes) on the surface of the inner cylinder. If that is a correct interpretation (three contact points), then that might allow a calculation of the radii of the intermediate cylinder relative to the radii of innermost cylinder. I have not done the calculation. Maybe someone else will have time to do that calculation before I have time to try it. Page 24 of Collins' 1997 book indicates that Bessler claims he was a good shot himself. I am not, but each lobe of an intermediate cylinder would be a perfect shot, always like the situation of a spherical ball (which we see half of), traveling outward through the air space and making a perfect bull's eye in its lobe hole or rather the three bull's eyes in the three target lobe holes assigned to it. Based on that, we could just say that the effective circumference of an intermediate cylinder is a third of the effective circumference of the containing cylinder. Will someone finish off the calculation relative to the effective circumference of the innermost axle cylinder? There is probably a rational relationship between the effective circumference of an intermediate cylinder and the effective circumference of the axle cylinder such that lobes and lobe holes do very little precession (so as to minimize the spreading of defects in the bearing). The spherical bullets coming down and landing may partly also be compared to little hammer blows on an anvil, even though they softly land (they will deliver a powerful static rolling spherical bearing punch). They are in essence reusable ball bearings that require no lubrication or rather I believe that they must not be lubricated! Lubrication would destroy much of their efficiency and utility. Clean yes, but don't lubricate them. Bessler spoke a third level chiasm on page 33 of Collins' book. Without saying the word "bearing", he as translated used the words "he", "with", "it", and "it", "with", "him" which words and the other words in the chiasm are quite suggestive of the idea of bearing. The three levels may also suggest going across the bearing outer containing cylinder to intermediate cylinder to central axle cylinder, and then from central axle cylinder, to intermediate cylinder to outer containing cylinder.
As the inner "vertices" of the white sectors do not appear to contact the innermost black circle, I suspect that Bessler is not showing us the static contact length on the inner axle, but I could be mistaken.
Having a reusable ball bearings would seem to be a "cool" thing about the Orffyrean roller bearing. The many little ball bearings are constantly coming down and being used and go away so that they may be saved for reuse later when they are needed. They are recycled. A Scout is thrifty.
I was talking with my friend, K.D. about the Orffyrean roller bearing and he asked me if I were a mechanical engineer and I said no. He then told me that modern [high speed, heavy industrial loading] bearings never have metal to metal contact. There is a thin layer of oil for cooling [for example as used with an "elliptical" bearing that is not quite spherical]. I guess that I may be bucking the normal conventions. Still my opinion is, if there is some cooling necessary due to metal to metal contact, there would be time to air cool the little spheres in between. I wonder if it is possible if the shapes of the reusable bearings could be formed or produced during their use starting with some standard shape like say cylinders or missing cylinders ( like broken columns that Bessler's little children play between) are chosen to make the size be the correct size to match the radii needed and the spherical bearings form themselves like they are forged using a anvil and a fiery furnace. There would be heating and cooling. The idea of raindrops and snowflakes may apply here. Could there be micro-crystal structures on the surfaces of the formed orbs associated with their cooling? Could Bessler have been giving us clues here? What do other people think regarding this subject? Maybe we just need to try it and see what happens. If we start out with the "wrong" initial characters, we could substitute out the wrong pre-Orffyrean characters and try some other new ones. I kind of like the idea of the bearings forming themselves under hard, heavy usage. Maybe Bessler had to spin the bearings very hard and rapidly under heavy loading so that the spheres form themselves in the fiery furnace of "life" in the fiery furnace of affliction/friction like the refiner's fire in forming silver, the seer sees when the silver is pure by looking down at it to see when he sees his reflection (maybe then we will see bright nice shiny bright Orffyrean orbs in this process like the dots of light in the final figure of Apologia). Once the Orffyrean bearings form themselves, the Bessler wheel should work with low friction and starting off at low angular speeds. When fully grown up, Bessler's children (or maybe I should say their clubs/columns and holes) become bright orbs or orb holes. When not in use, the wheel probably should be stopped for safety reasons. AEP - 25 July 2005

[bluesgtr44]

Mr. Park...No doubt you have all this pictured in your head...can I borrow your head for a bit? I just cannot seem to picture this in the intricate detail in which you describe it much less understand how it would even operate.

I am still confused as to how this would be able to produce enough power to actually perform work. I had another post just above your last one and was trying to put some pieces in place. Is the pendulum the "driver" of the system and the bearing is the "runner"?

I do not understand why there cannot be any lubrication, but if there is some sort of frictionless movement and it has to be a metal...maybe he used mercury as a medium.

Again, I think you have a vision...just have a hard time translating it for other people to "see".


Steve

[rks1878]

These "roller bearings" seem like such a big "crock", it's unbelievable!

[AldenPark]

I made an old error in the "three contact points" above and I have a lot to say instead, but I won't as it appears that I am not communicating very well so I will try to make more bite-sized points where possible and ignoring many other responses for now.
Regarding Steve bluesgtr44 Mon 25 Jul, 2005 4:44 am which referred to Steve bluesgtr44 Sun 24 Jul, 2005 7:30 am. I think that essentially any wheel rotating about a horizontal axis and rotating at the slowest of revolutions per minute (rpm) will pick up additional rotational kinetic energy from gravity. The more massive the wheel, the more energy is picked up from gravitons. The larger the angular speed, the more energy is picked up from gravitons. I think that the property can be observed if frictional forces are small enough and with enough mass so that the rotations of the nuclei within matter are not slowed down by photon interactions of surrounding materials which might be considered as another type of friction but one not commonly spoken of (but it is somewhat like a temperature shared between surrounding nuclei). The bearing has nothing to do energy production in the wheel. The purpose of the bearing is to help reduce friction to such an amount that the phenomena of the wheel speeding up may be observed. I think that Bessler could have put essentially any type of "... weights, balls, springs, internal gears, internal water, oil, alcohol ..." (see page 142 of Collins' book) and they would still have run. There might be different principles but they likely had the same most fundamental principles.
I don't currently think that he would have had the simplified Bessler pendulum to power a single Bessler wheel as it didn't matter what was inside. The simplified Bessler pendulum is a special device which has a Bessler wheel within it for its torque governor wheel. That would have meant a extra route for his most guarded secret to get out (which secret was his special roller bearing). I don't think that he would have dared do that.
I think that a simplified Bessler pendulum is also special in that it will be able to work or produce energy without being inside a Bessler wheel itself. I think that it requires at least two of Bessler's special Orffyrean roller bearings.
As to why no lubrication, see my son's experimental science fair results in my paper (p. 64).
I hope that these comments help.

[ken_behrendt]

Alden...

Now that you've written:

I think that essentially any wheel rotating about a horizontal axis and rotating at the slowest of revolutions per minute (rpm) will pick up additional rotational kinetic energy from gravity. The more massive the wheel, the more energy is picked up from gravitons. The larger the angular speed, the more energy is picked up from gravitons.

I think I understand what you are proposing.

Surely, if this hypothesis is correct, then it could be easily tested since, aside from a low friction bearings, it does not require any sort of elaborate mechanism.

ken

[ME]

Alden: what about inertia?

[bluesgtr44]

Mr. Park...I find that to be...well, amazing! If I understand you correctly this time, put a light weight, well balance wheel...large in diameter on an axle using this "orffyrean bearing"...and say just give it a little push (not sure which way) and it will actually start to increase it's revolutions until it reaches it's "suturation" point, being the point between the diameter of the wheel and the max. potential of the bearing.

Now, Bessler could attach a load to his axle and THEN let the wheel go and the load would start to go up from there...I fail to see this coming anywhere near that...or is this where the pendulum would come in?

When I first read this about the bearings and how you think they are the force, it reminded me of some things I vaguely remember about metals and how they can react together and actually create small "charges" and such...do you think this is what might be happening?

Other than that...being mech./elect. type eng., I have a hard time seeing how just a bearing could provide the "drive" for the wheel. It also intrigues me because that was exactly where his detractors suggested the malfeasance was taking place in his time.

If you can come up with some of the metals that he would have used and how they would have been arranged for these bearings it might would help. Maybe a better picture of how they would look and how they would attach to the axle. Thank you for your time Mr. Park.


Steve

[rlortie]

Most of you have seen posts from me were I have mentioned my vertical axis magnetic suspended wheel. I do not believe a lower friction bearing can be achieved over one that is setting in mid-air.

I have proven its value by giving it a small push and watching it spin for minutes, but it does not run forever.

Now am I supposed to believe that if I change this to a horizontal axis using magnets as guide bearings rather than thrust bearings, its going to run, run, run,.

If the consensus is yes, then I am just the guy that can build it. It may take some time to get the axis fields equal, but I believe it is possible. Right now I am not to concerned about the consensus saying "yes"

By the way Mr. Park, so far you have done a splendid job of ignoring my questions and challenge. I thought my input worthy of your standards and debate in consideration in hopes of possibly gaining knowledge for the both of us.

In the mean time you leave me with the alleged feeling that you are a civil service employee in a position of low recognition. One that like to attempt to play armchair philosopher in the hopes of recognition.

I am sorry for saying this, but what else can I do to get your attention for a laymans point of view. I do not know, maybe you do not know laymans language.

For what it is worth, I have a step-son that I sent to Brigham Young University that is manager of the whole 7th floor of you Church's home office. So in that sense you will find me receptive.

Ralph Lortie