a into m

[Not_James_Lindgaard]

a into m is converting 9.8 m/s into momentum. Or converting gravity into spin.

Some things that need to be considered to understand the difference between force, inertia and angular momentum.

With inertia it's; mv^2/r

with force it's; f = mv

with angular momentum it's; mv @ r > mv @r/2 = m4v


I doubt anyone will get this. With inertia

1 kg * 3^2 m/s / 1 meter = 9kg/m/s

force is 3 kg/m/s

angular momentum is 3 kg/m/s


inertia; 1 kg * 3^2m/s/.5 meter = 18 kg/m/s
force is conserved as angular momentum

1 kg * [3m * 4]/s = 12 kg/m/s


While angular momentum is less than inertia, it's force is increased 4 times when it's radius is reduced by 1/2. That is what science allows for and chances are both Gottfried Leibniz and Johann Bessler knew this.
The link is to a youtube video where a figure skater (female) demonstrates Conservation of Angular Momentum. If you notice in the first spin, her arms are out and she rotates slowly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oStQg4kNMA
And in the 2nd spin she shows, she brings her arms in and accelerates.
Bessler's wheel would have employed this same principle.
This simply means that as an over balance weight created force (torque), as the wheel accelerated it brought in 2 opposing wheel weights. It is these wheel weights increasing in force that were the primary reason Bessler achieved 60 rpm's.

And as to engineering something like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNGw46sG6EA

This is where discussing engineering needs to be allowed. The motion to be found is not what you would think it would be, where logic can be deceiving.

edited to add; this link is to Michio Kaku (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku)
Figure Skating, Discussing Physics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYMbQFYGPU

[Not_James_Lindgaard]

There is a woman I know, the A.C. behind the A.C. Bessler design. Makes me think of something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FenMX_cGDvc
and as for what I've posted here, if you consider the trick with the levers, it's enough for anyone who understands engineering to build one.
It is a complex behavior because it's force comes from conservation.
A. C. knows I am using her for Positive Motivation. This build might be a little to challenging for some and at the same time, I have been gaining the experience to build it.

[Not_James_Lindgaard]

@All,
This concept might be too advanced for some. In other discussions, they only consider gravity. It's well known that gravity is relative to mass,
F = Gm1m2/r2 and it is this formula which helps to show how gravity effects an over balanced weight.
http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/physics/circ/node7.html

This could be why I prefer the simpler over balance as a % of mass is the same percentage that the wheel will accelerate because of it's over balance.
Much simpler.

Still, it does go against logic to say that conserving momentum by moving all the weights closer to the axis of rotation creates more force but it does.
And this is where the equation above, the F =Gm1m2/r2 is an over balanced weight accelerating. But that is not what allows for perpetuity. It's conserving the momentum generated by an accelerating mass according F = Gm1m2/r2.

And a spinning figure skater is something that should make people wonder, how can they accelerate without an increase in energy ? That's physically impossible. Yet they do it and that would be the same with conserving momentum as angular momentum.
And without a constant input of force then the wheel would eventually slow to a stop.

added a pic, even though the 2 weights that create the over balance move inward as shown in the wheel on the right, their force actually doubles.
And with inertia, if the weights are mv^@/r, then 1 kg @ 1 m/s @ 1meter radius equals 1kg/m/s.
r/2 = 1 kg/4m/s, when calculated, it is twice the torque. And the inertia is 2kg/m/s of force, how the weights shoot out quickly, inertia. And Bessler's wheel made a knocking sound 8 times per revolution. Merely weights flying outward.


And what everyone seems to be over looking is that Bessler's wheel was an engine. The attached link shows how an engine works. The first few seconds of the video is all you need to see. That's because that might be similar to Bessler's wheel. Multiple sets of weights working together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKF5dKo_r_Y

[Not_James_Lindgaard]

@All,
There is an intriguing possibility, Bessler did get his weights to shift themselves. What would allow for this is manipulating inertia and gravity.
Since [mv^2/r(1) + a (gravity)] + mv^2/r(2)
weight approaching bottom center + weight approaching top center

When the weights move outward because of inertia how far each weight moves can be controlled. And this would mean that as a wheel rotates because of over balance, it can increase in velocity (spin) as both weights retract as a tether ball does.
And this means that no levers moving weights in the traditional sense is necessary. And also explains how is wheel accelerated with or without a push. It would depend if the wheel has a weight sufficiently out of balance to start rotation and Bessler did say one cross bar worked slowly. That might be a literal statement.
The image of Mt 137 might be Bessler's version of da Vinci's Vetruvian Man.

Merry Christmas All !!!


did some editing

[Not_James_Lindgaard]

@All,
I'm going to start on a spreadsheet to calculate force of a weight's mass, momentum, conservation of angular momentum and inertia. Some of what I'll be explaining will be a step by step process.
And this will mean some things I'll be posting will be basic mechanics. And as I go along I think people will start to understand how things work together.