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The proposal is intended to play a single variable arm of a lever , due to a sloping motion in two ( up and down ) points , so to vary the torque of a continuous manner...rotating ( not lifting !) the CoM .
The basic idea : lever+hinge ( leverage and inclined plane ).
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Tilting leverage...
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A good Idea of lateral thinking.
Understanding force vectors is key! Then which portion of the harmonic motion to use. Pushing towards rotation not just down. Not allowing the weight of the lever to transfer to its pivot. Understanding the speed of drop, has to increase rotation.
The most efficient lift and the most efficient drop of the weight. You don't want any dropping force not causing rotation. You want the lifting to cause the least effect on rotation. The lever is separate from the wheel and is not lifted or dropped by a crank type motion.
The most efficient lift and the most efficient drop of the weight. You don't want any dropping force not causing rotation. You want the lifting to cause the least effect on rotation. The lever is separate from the wheel and is not lifted or dropped by a crank type motion.
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Driver, what is the status of your wheel? Still spinning?
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That's pretty well impossible ! , - no , that is because it is impossible ! : )Fcdriver wrote:... Not allowing the weight of the lever to transfer to its pivot....
The force experienced as a result of gravity is for all intents and purpose instantaneous IMO .
The pivot in any lever always has the force of the weight acting on it . The weight may be counteracted by other forces which give the impression that it is not active in the reaction equation but it is not actually the case .
If it were possible to negate the force of gravity in a weight mechanically then perpetual motion would be a snap but leverage does not appear to have any loopholes available to accomplish it .
Newtons laws were formulated largely as a result of leverage studies .
There are examples of all kinds of neat reactions involving forces with levers but none that even hint at overunity .
All the forces are thoroughly accounted for unfortunately .
Of course I reserve the right to be thoroughly correct with the above statements ! : )
Have had the solution to Bessler's Wheel approximately monthly for over 30 years ! But next month is "The One" !
No it is not impossible! If you lift a triangle vs a single lever a different percentage amount transfers to the pivot, while not lifting above 2:00 or 10:00 greatly reduces the amount that transfers to the pivot. It is a waste of time trying to cause rotatation from a lever falling from top dead center! A lever dropping from 3:00 downward is slowing its rate of descent at 6:00. Each degree turn of the wheel is different rate than that of a falling linear weight because it is circular. Map the speed of a piston, connected to a crank. This is called harmonic motion! This means it is a combination of a weight lifting from 6:00 to 3:00, but he action force is dropping from 12 to 3:00, while causing rotation from 2:00 to 5:00.
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Once again, FCDRIVER, what is the status of your " working " wheel? Thanks
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Hi Fcd,
The problem is we are not thinking about the same systems in the same way probably ! : )
What I am saying is 'impossible' (can't say I really like that word much ! ) is that it is not "explainable" to have a different total amount of energy in the force that comes out of a lever than is put into it .
You are saying that " If you lift a triangle vs a single lever a different percentage amount transfers to the pivot" - and this is correct ! . But what I mean is whatever force the pivot feels from the input is transferred through the pivot to the output position at the same level of energy . The amount of force per distance or per unit time changes ok but not the total energy .
The 'output' from the lever in question in your post is being applied to a position on the wheel , which should be considered a second leverage system .The force from the first lever should be treated as the input to this 'second' leverage system for calculation purposes.
If this energy input is sufficient to keep the wheel revolving then that is exactly what it will do unless you start to remove more energy from it than you are putting in .
And of course this is where we have all failed so far , for numerous different reasons but mostly because nobody has ever demonstrated a continuously operating system convincingly , of any type.
Will leverage be involved in the final solution ? I think undoubtably it will . Its hard to imagine many systems that don't have aspects of leverage in them . But I also feel like many others that there will have to be something else added that we either have just not been bright enough to see yet , or that has yet to be 're'discovered .
We need more DATA ! : )
The problem is we are not thinking about the same systems in the same way probably ! : )
What I am saying is 'impossible' (can't say I really like that word much ! ) is that it is not "explainable" to have a different total amount of energy in the force that comes out of a lever than is put into it .
You are saying that " If you lift a triangle vs a single lever a different percentage amount transfers to the pivot" - and this is correct ! . But what I mean is whatever force the pivot feels from the input is transferred through the pivot to the output position at the same level of energy . The amount of force per distance or per unit time changes ok but not the total energy .
The 'output' from the lever in question in your post is being applied to a position on the wheel , which should be considered a second leverage system .The force from the first lever should be treated as the input to this 'second' leverage system for calculation purposes.
If this energy input is sufficient to keep the wheel revolving then that is exactly what it will do unless you start to remove more energy from it than you are putting in .
And of course this is where we have all failed so far , for numerous different reasons but mostly because nobody has ever demonstrated a continuously operating system convincingly , of any type.
Will leverage be involved in the final solution ? I think undoubtably it will . Its hard to imagine many systems that don't have aspects of leverage in them . But I also feel like many others that there will have to be something else added that we either have just not been bright enough to see yet , or that has yet to be 're'discovered .
We need more DATA ! : )
Have had the solution to Bessler's Wheel approximately monthly for over 30 years ! But next month is "The One" !
F=ma A while dropping equals gravity, this means the lift has to be slower than A, this causes gravity to be the additional force. The mass is constant. Force is what turns the wheel, force is what lifts the weight. The differences of A cause the forces to be more and less than the other. The movement of the weight from 2:00 to 4:00 causes the most f towards rotation. This means you have from 4:00 to 2:00 to lift it. This is a 1 to 6 difference. If lift force is applied next to the axle, and drop force is applied twice the distance away from the axle, it multiplies by the distance. This means 1 to 12. This makes the lifting force 1 and the dropping force 12.