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re: The so called clues, which supposedly come from Bessler

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A note about slider.
Bessler talks at an other place about "Katze" (cat) what could be a slider.
Die schlaue Katze schleichet leise,
Und haschet feine fette Mäuse.

The smart cat sneaks quietly
And catches fine fat mice.

In German exist the word "Laufkatze" what would be a slider. I don't know if at Besslers time such a component had the same appellation.
Look this pictures in google https://www.google.com.co/search?q=Lauf ... MQ_AUIBigB
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OK Sam you have created a one shot movement of the slider by sacrificing
massive GPE by lowering the 7 lb weight one inch.

Your wheel then just keels and stops because it cannot lift the 7 lb weight
back to the original height.

You can pay me now or pay me later. You chose later.
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Cloud Camper,

Yes, that's what I'm most concerned about, bottom heaviness. You are right, that could kill it.
And there may be other problems that I don't even know about, besides that.

Just have to try it and see what happens. I can very things a little bit.

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OK Sam good luck.

I'm not trying to be mean.

It's Mother Nature that's a mean beeeotch.

I'm just a reluctant messenger.

I don't like her pissyante rules either.

But they are what they are!
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Thanks Cloud Camper; I will need some good luck. Thanks for your time and consideration.

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re: The so called clues, which supposedly come from Bessler

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Let's look at a few alternative words for "Züge",
as I only search google translation, so just choose from these
- trains
- outline
- lineaments
- rifling
- traits

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Rifling have a pretty interesting shape, although unless Bessler was a walking dictionary, I have my doubt he know rifling is associated with "Züge", or was the word rifling associated to "Züge" during that period, or does rifling even exist at that time ?

If we ask the people of Bessler era, what is "Creuze", they would probably answer "Crosses";
and ask them, what is "Gewicht", the answer would be "Weight";
but when asking, what is "Züge", unlikely they would say "Rifling";
most people would only know the definition of the words most common to them, they are not going to memorize all the unknown definition.
Which bring the question, if we ask them, what is "Züge", how will they answer ?


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Now look at the word Outline,
first thing that came to mind is the outline of the wheel.

So if increase the outline, that would mean the diameter/radius of wheel also increase,
while the machine also revolve faster, which can also mean more power.

Which other clue also have the same pattern/meaning ?
The machine's power was directly proportional to its diameter.

But the problem with Outline..... it is not an object.

With sentences like "plenty of", "lots of", "arrange several" etc,
these are associated with numbers, indication of objects.

So while "Creuze" as "Crosses", it's an object;
and "Gewicht" as "Weight", maybe can be considered an object,
but "Züge" as "Outline", it's not an object.

I guess this may be why "pulley" is chosen in the first place, instead of "pull",
because "pulley" is an object, while "pull" is more of an action.

Although outline is not an object, but this can easily be replaced over with an object of individual choice.

Anyway words like lineaments & traits involve lines, just like outline, so they can be considered the same.

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As there are a lot of other alternative words associated with "Züge",
I would suggest at least find out what's the most common definition of "Züge" during Bessler period.

And what is "trains" during Bessler era, I don't think modern train exist in his timeline, could it be carriage or trailer sort-of vehicles ?
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ovaron wrote:A note about slider.
Bessler talks at an other place about "Katze" (cat) what could be a slider.
Die schlaue Katze schleichet leise,
Und haschet feine fette Mäuse.

The smart cat sneaks quietly
And catches fine fat mice.

In German exist the word "Laufkatze" what would be a slider. I don't know if at Besslers time such a component had the same appellation.
Look this pictures in google https://www.google.com.co/search?q=Lauf ... MQ_AUIBigB
That sentence never resonated much with me because I could never really see any possible connection between smart cats and fat mice and any possible mechanistic interpretation !

- until now that is !

Good connection Ovaron ! : )

Looking up the english equivalent of the word 'Lauf' brings up 'wheeling' and 'race' so a Laufkatze would probably be the equivalent of 'wheeling cat' or 'race cat' in the english language. [The english meaning of a 'ball bearing race ' is a bearing where ball-bearings have a 'race ' channel ]

Yes , I think Bessler's cat could well be intended to have a 'slider' meaning !
Have had the solution to Bessler's Wheel approximately monthly for over 30 years ! But next month is "The One" !
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re: The so called clues, which supposedly come from Bessler

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Thank you for the translations.

I have watched our cats with their fine fat TOY mice.

They appear to scoop the fat mice up and pull it to the centre; towards their mouths.

Note. Spiral inwards and in - Yes two cats one mouth each
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helloha wrote:As there are a lot of other alternative words associated with "Züge",
I would suggest at least find out what's the most common definition of "Züge" during Bessler period.

And what is "trains" during Bessler era, I don't think modern train exist in his timeline, could it be carriage or trailer sort-of vehicles ?
I think this needs its own topic, so I created one:
Bessler's Züge - a Train of Thoughts
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