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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Sam

I also do not draw. That is why I use free software to do the drawing for me.

I am using two principles one to sustain motion after putting energy into the conceptual design. The other to bring energy into the device from outside.

The principles need to be there to base a design.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Agor95,

That's what I meant; far easier for me to figure out Bessler's wheel than try to draw with a computer---------------it's beyond me. Software has passed me by like a freight train, Sam


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:41 am    Post subject: Re: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

agor95 wrote:
Sam

I also do not draw. That is why I use free software to do the drawing for me.

I am using two principles one to sustain motion after putting energy into the conceptual design. The other to bring energy into the device from outside.

The principles need to be there to base a design.

Could you give me a link to that free software you are using for your drawings.

Thanks.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

I don't think anyone is interested, but if someone might be; the best I can tell; bell cranks won't work for resetting the sliders. Also I'm fairly certain that they have to be lifted at the 6 O'clock position or soon after. See MT-15. Horizontal does't work. For what ever it's worth---------------
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Sam: we a reading and will take your insight.

Grimer: The drawing software is in tech support 'Moray & POV'

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Agor95,

I'm fairly certain, ( for what ever it's worth), MT-15 is the right way to replicate Bessler's Wheel. MT-15 shows CCW rotation, with the slider starting to lift at 45 degrees before bottom dead center, (BBDC), and fully lifted at 6 o'clock I suspect that is exactly right. In this way the wheel is always top heavy, always falling down.

Also the "lifter" has to be double acting, as are the sliders. Please don't ask me how to do it, but maybe one of you can figure it out.

Sam


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Sam :-)

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Please don't ask me how to do it, but maybe one of you can figure it out.


Fine with me


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:04 am    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: re: KE PE and torque effect? Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

LOL

Seriously we are all in the same boat.

All trying to figure things out.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:50 pm    Post subject: Report Post to Admin

As I see it an essential requirement it to generate 3rd derivative motion one side and not the other. This essentially means some element of freefall in a circle one side and not the other.

Straight line free fall won't wash as it only generates 2nd derivative motion.


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