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This is a quick draft of the concept.

1. Back Stand
2. Flywheel
3. Plank that can rotate separately from the Flywheel
4. Beam bar

Imagine there are 4 springs, in tension, connecting the 4 disc pegs to
the closest pegs on the plank.

This means the Plank can rock in relation to the disc.

There are two compresion springs in the grove inside the beam bar.
This allows the bar to slide left or right in the picture.

The two yellow items at the end of the bar are wheels that connect to the next layer not shown.

This is the implementation of the two toy rockers MT138.

The springs should be implemented so they can be adjusted.

The additional stage is based on MT124.

images http://www.orffyre.com/mt121-143.html
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@All

If you are worried of "end of life as we know it" then place this device flat.

Also have another device the mirror of the first.

That will help cancel out the momentum effects.

Energy is used to start the disc rotating.

Once at constant speed then the energy rate drops.

There is a constant energy rate in pulling the mass into a rotational path.

When the bar is not equally balanced there is more pull on one side than the other. That is the potential pull energy to speed up the disc.

The plank rocker allows the a short term drop in rotation.
That will allow the resetting of the bar with some overbalance in the other side. The plank will do a catch-up on it's rotation with the disc.

The next step does these tasks.

1. Acts like a radial ramp to supply positive torque.
2. Control to prevent the bar returning to a balanced state.
3. To cause the plank's short term drop in rotation.
4. Assist is causing the bar to flip into the alternative out of balanced sate.

The MT23 ramp concept has it's place; However implemented differently.

http://www.orffyre.com/mt21-40.html
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This shows the Slider Movement.

The Slider has been position so the wheel in not balanced.
Therefore it would rotate and in a keeling action.

The Slider has two springs in the grove on each side of the axle.

That means the Slider needs to be held in place without preventing
the keeling action.

Note. The graphic program does not do springs. Please use your imaginations.
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Bar Rocking movement

If we keeping the wheel and slider fixed then
the bar can rock from it's default position.

Look the the top right; The two yellow pegs should be connected with a spring. One on the Wheel and one one on the Bar.

The goes for all the wheel pegs connecting to the Bar pegs.

An external force will be used to get to this position.
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Side View

This side view shows the two left yellow Wheel pegs.
Then the two yellow Bar pegs they attached to via springs.

On the Slider the first yellow item, on the left, is a Roller that follow a Track in the next component; not show yet.

The yellow item just on the right of that is the Axle.
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The Outer Track

This is a bit of a rush job.

What you see is the Outer Track.

The shape can be varied; In this case it is natural.

There is another Inner Track.

Summary

I am presenting all these Gravity, CF and using an impact Track.
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The Inner Track

This is the same circular track. Where the track is the same distance from the center axle.

The previous was just a fly wheel with some more extras that could not change.

Much to build about nothing; other than a wheel


When you spin this wheel the slider will press less the faster it rotates.

There is a time where it does not touch the track.

This is circular when rotated on the horizontal.

We all know in the vertical the gravity and CF combine.

This is the implementation of the fly wheel and the slider.

The Last Diagram shows how the slider after passing the keeling point flips from one side to the other.
Also creates more rotation using CF to add to the PE.

Any Questions so far?
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The Track

This is the basic track design.

When one yellow roller comes away from a track.
It is on the next on the other side.

This stage you see here is in the slight overbalanced section.

The left yellow roller is finishing the knock - low CF stage.

The top middle track supplies extra speed during high rotation.

This is required as gravity can not generate high rotation speeds.
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Here are two images

I have placed a yellow bar to show the middle of the slider.

The rocker bar was used between these two images to stop
rotation of the slider without stopping the wheels rotation.

The wheel is rotating clockwise during this cycle.

The slider spring compression effect is only present near the bottom
of the image.

The bottom part of the main track is at the same radius.

There is minimum counter torque in this system.

The first image is the end point with a light over balance.

The second image is the start point of the re-set.
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This design is a close variant to the MT135 thread.

So I am focusing on that are at this time.

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Hi MrVibrating

I have pushed this thread to the top so I can assist.

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In the last image the guide at the top centre should act like a ramp.

I imagined this would add to the rotation as the rod section flails out.

We need to find a way to transition from a gravity driven to a C.F. driven mode of operation.

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