Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page"

[daanopperman]

Hi Øystein ,

I am all dressed up and ready for class , and I can see that Bessler left his work for someone to uncover .
What more can we have wished for , to point us in the correct direction .
What you have shown here is another 300 yrs worth of head scratching .

[daxwc]

Do you believe Digit Sum was used in the AP headers, or not? Yes

And do you acknowledge that Bessler used Digit Sum in general? Yes

A+A+B+B+C+C+D+D+E+(4+1) and 41=5 Ok, Maybe…but it leaves F out… Give me more examples where the number box is included.

A+A+B+B+C+C+D+D+E+(4+1) + F + Hidden. No.
When I blow up the MT images from the original I see no secret 5 plain and simple; sorry.

Right now I have 1x1+2x2+3x3+4x4+5x5+6 with a missing 6

[ME]

On meta-encoding:
When we combine the questions of some previous posts with the last line of the opening post we can clearly detect a hidden message warning us of a hidden encoding in the messages of this master of codes...

I will make some new post every now and then when, Elias is asleep. And I hope, and my goal is, that some of you are able to enjoy the ingenuity of Bessler's mind rather than focus on bashing the messenger..

So obviously we need to have a closer look at, and dig into, the shown integers of Oystein's posts where the actual 'goal' is the enabling of some Elias-Delta-encoded hidden layer.... who knows!

That, or congratulations Oystein.
IOW Oystein, besides some increased levels of paranoia, woken up inner hidden detectives, and with excitement exceeding Dan Brown levels, we all enjoy your talk here :-)

I personally would have no idea where to start... and, likely more frustratingly, not know when it stops... there should always exist some next layer on the brink of discovery, right? I also would have naively aplied the Caesar/Orfyyre-shift to each and every code I would encounter, just in case something got missed... Just as I see many things in the "5"-area.

But does Bessler's encoding lead to a working principle of his wheels or did he encode just for the sake of joining the encoding party of secret societies and possibly for the sake of 'finger-printing' his IP?
Is the answer for each observation: who knows?

[Oystein]

My question is:

Should I use another example to prove Digit Sum was used by Bessler?

Is it a distraction for you, that we can't solve MT41 properly at this stage?

My case here was the AP Wheel decoding, not MT. Look where we are!

MT41 was not meant as a distraction from AP at this point.

Now you want to dig down in MT41, but at this stage you should just enjoy Digit Sum in practice..

Should we fold the paper and prove the real reason for the Pyramid formula and even explain the "invisible 5". I think it is to early, as a story with progress...and we should get back to that later..

Advice please?

[daxwc]

These were from the original and blown up 5 times

[eccentrically1]

I'm interested, I agree he seems to have used the secret society numbers/letters/methods in his drawings, but I have the same question as everyone, has your research led you to believe the solution is in a combination of the MT's as Bessler indicated?

[Oystein]

daxwc:

After 55 comes 66!

The F is alone... you are NOT looking for another 6 twin! If so, 67 then?

Triangle (3) of 55 : Next step is:

[daxwc]

Is it a distraction for you, that we can't solve MT41 properly at this stage?

Of course 8)))

Now you want to dig down in MT41, but at this stage you should just enjoy Digit Sum in practice..

Ok.

Should I use another example to prove Digit Sum was used by Bessler?

Yes one that is clear and uses the number box on MT. 8P

Oystein you asked where I get unsure of the method. It was going from the box adding squared numbers to adding single digits. Why not be looking for another partner for the missing 6? Just being truthful.

[daxwc]

How do I know for sure what we are looking for triangular when we have already made up a boxed number 4+1 and have F left over which is a 6.

Why triangular?
Ok, lets back up, prove to us/me that we are looking for triangular numbers? Did I miss it?
That’s why we need more examples 8)

Or is it a different lesson every time?

[Oystein]

Sorry, it was you that wanted to dissect MT41, not me! And I will abandon it in this thread after this...

Yes, please find a friend and look for "6" :-)

We can be pretty certain that Bessler did NOT hide a Pyramid in his wheel.

So by saying 55 --> 66 It suddenly becomes a "two dimensional triangle".

That would fit into a narrow wheel..

Fine, I am testing this to see how others react..fine with your reaction.

Like the Kassel pendulum is not a pyramid, but it is it is 55 --> 66 though! But any outsider would not know that we are looking for a such a thing at this stage..

This is also why Bessler could switch the number on the two triangular padlocks.. 24 becomes 42 How?? 2+4 = 4+2

2+4 = 4+2 = 6

Triangular padlock --> 6 6

In this forum we are all to fast jumping toward mechanics, now out of standard RC codes and into Bessler territory.

I think we stop here..

[daxwc]

I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying you are better off saying a 5 is added by default then the secret 5. As long as another example supported it.
I obviously need more work on the triangular argument 8/

Leap to standard RC codes and triangular codes then. 8)

[Oystein]

It becomes problematic to explain a little, but not all. That is the problem. But of course in a book, you would have to read on, and wait 8-)

We could look closer at the AP - EVCLID Geometry solution.

The AP wheels 6 rim points is built from applying a Triangle and a Pentagon and creating 3x5 = 15 outside parts. 3 of the 15 parts is white.

Obviously there is a missing geometric figure needed in the AP wheel to draw the inward lines.. This is in a way "The Hidden symbol" that I write about in my book. but I will keep it to myself for now.

But why did he lead us to EVCLID's figure? Other than prove that 3 and 5 is a key..

Was it also to make us able to put in the correct value for the Devil?

The Devil - - is the only place where everybody can see we must decode something!

This is maybe where we should head now?... Not details in a MT figure.. (story-wise).

[WaltzCee]

Facts versus fiction? (This double standard, science versus religion, in writing and paintings, is Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry). Attached is also a picture of what happened when I tried to write what I then discovered...My user account was deleted, my post was deleted and my IP-address was BANNED. So I guess I was spot on.

I'm not sure if you know but your site, www.orffyreuscodes.com , is being filtered in some public spots and labeled pornography.

Is Bessler pointing us to: NOT THE BIBLE, but directly into EVCLID's Elements?? just as the Freemasons do?? Let's test it, you will be surprised..

I think both. The context of the quote "Are you still so dull?" is what defiles a person. There was some discussion here at BW of certain things Bessler had been known to eat that some might consider very un-halal, definitely not kosher at all. He may have been pointing to BOTH.

[Oystein]

WaltzCee wrote:

I'm not sure if you know but your site, www.orffyreuscodes.com , is being filtered in some public spots and labeled pornography.

I didn't know, and I'm not surprised nor bothered.. 8-)

daxwc
I could not leave the "F" in MT41 undisputed..

I believe the "faint 5" was placed there by design. I know it was. Or else all other stuff wouldn't work either.

Now I have removed the troublesome "F" by folding the page.

Now the 3x3+4x4+5x5 is left, (using the Digit Sum of 41.)

This is the bottom part, 3-4-5 (Pythagoras sequence) of the Masonic Pyramid formula (The L=50)

The F is gone!! Happy now??

But what about the last 5, or the top of the triangle? 50+5=55

Now you really can see that his codes was deeeeep..Now we are in Bessler land..Now draw some lines to complete the mechanism 8-)

We can agree that this is a little heavy, just to justify that Digit Sum was used in the "AP Wheel Page" ?

Now I will leave MT41

[Fletcher]

There are two more levels of number "magic" in MT41.. Involving F and the almost invisible number.. confirming we are talking of triangular numbers..

Lastly the painting (MT41) should be altered so only 50 and the secret 5? appears.. Then draw a pyramid, and you are close to Bessler mechanism!!