Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page"

[Oystein]

Downloaded a perfect 15 divided circle from Wikipedia and added the figures as described in Evclid. XV. iV. 16 (Attached)

Projected it onto the original AP wheel. (Attached) and drew the inward lines.

The next you notice is that Evclid.XV.iV.16. has the inbuilt geometry, dictating or justifying the existence and location of the three white area. (Attached)

Should be no reason to wonder..if this is the correct first step, and hidden by Bessler..

A little teaser: The three white areas are starting to look a little like the Kassel pendulum...

If we add a last missing figure, the inward lines can be attached on crossings between the geometric shapes (Not attached).

[Oystein]

For those that would like to see how this simple figure of Evclid. XV. iV. 16. can be proven by 3 and 5 as the formula suggests, I have attached the second step.

This figure attached is drawn manually, completely from Evclids original formula. the formula I found by decoding the two headers above the "Apologia Wheel" using checksum of 55.

3 and 5, hidden behind a special figure.. Just as in his signature..

The crowd cheers... :-)

For those that may wonder why I included the three blue lines passing through the white fields, the answer is: The white fields are all three embracing the three blue centerlines of the original triangle in Evclid's formula, passing through the center. The geometry for the lines is in the formula. That is why Bessler must have chosen to embrace them..And this is a way to defend the existence of those three specific white areas. IMO.
(Asked by, Fletcher)

But how does it lead us to the Devil?

I don't say it isn't more to this figure..there is.. This is an example..but this show that if we keep level..and think rationally, much can be done. Remember he had to draw this actually tiny figure, by square and compass on paper, the on woodblock etc.. you know..So we need some pretty simple stuff..like just 3 and 5..

[PLMKRN]

By the way, very nice topper Oystein!
It´s shows like you have the solution.
Do you have one running one?

PLMKRN

[Oystein]

More than one...kid running around... :-)

Answer: No, not my priority at the moment.

[Fletcher]

Hey Oystein .. what do the blue lines do ?

They seem to be redundant and not necessary to include at any stage ?

[Oystein]

In this series I draw the lines to show that this is the reason we can defend the existence of those three specific white areas.

Why just those 3 as white? And where..

They are all three embracing the 3 centerlines of the original triangle in Evclid's formula..

At this point, this is my answer. The geometric solution answer..

[WaltzCee]

Hello Oystein,

I tunneled thru a proxy to your site at the library
so their filter isn't that good. Also I went to craigslist
personals in Vn. Now that's some explicit stuff.
Clearly you're on a list to be censored.

If you want I could start a FOIA request to see
who provides the filter. Your call.

[Oystein]

Hey, cool.

Yes that would be fun to know.

I have some other strange occurrences, one that I could trace directly to a specific English Banking Freemasonry Lodge

I would be happy to know where that "flag" comes from.

Maybe then a "PM" would be proper..

[WaltzCee]

I'll get right on it.

[Fletcher]

In this series I draw the lines to show that this is the reason we can defend the existence of those three specific white areas.

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Why just those 3 as white? And where..?

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They are all three embracing the 3 centerlines of the original triangle in Evclid's formula..

At this point, this is my answer. The geometric solution answer..

I fully buy-in to how one could arrive at the specific placement and shape of the 3 white areas using just a compass and square Oystein, and Euclid geometry.

Pentagram formed set off 15 (3 x 5) equidistant nodes around a circle (24 degrees each). From moving on 3 nodes at a time x five to form the pentagram. The special case isosceles triangle formed by moving 5 nodes at a time x 3 to form the equilateral triangle (pyramid).

Then taking the capped pyramid analogy (1^2+2^2 (compass) + 3^2 +4^2 + 5^2 (square) visual representation) and finding the intersecting positions on the pyramid from connecting the white areas (4 nodes apart). Running these lines thru to the opposite side white area corners to determine the exact shape of the AP white areas triangle.

So using nodes numbers we have used 3,4, and 5 (right angle triangle) of 15.

There is probably other obscure ways you could arrive at the placement and shape of the white areas but I wouldn't want to try and find them - not without a protractor anyways. I don't find your method coincidental.

So going back to MT we know that 1 = i, 2 = z. It seems to me the bent arm A's are a mechanical movement representation because both types of A's appear in the same drawing at times ?

[ME]

...about Nash jr.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 465#155465

Cool choice of story.
I just wonder how Nash would have fared without access to books, classes and the finetuning of his talents.
Just as I wonder how "secret societies" fare without accidental or intentional leakage... it defines them as long as there's a next level and something to hide (or suspected to be).
The lesson never learned is that cookie from the shadows with its attached collateral still overshadowing that cookie. It's a lucrative exploit.

But the fact those secret groups rediscovered some universal truths (but nevertheless hid it in codes) should give us hope we could rediscover Bessler's wheel without the codes in case he used them for just that.
Still good you're on the lookout though !

Attached are my current best measured angles for the AP-wheel.
With the image size and deformation there's a limit in the measurement accuracy, I estimate it to be about 1 tenth of a degree.
(sorry about the web of lines, I got busy)

Do we have an explanation for that notch in the wheel, or is it crumbled ink?

[Fletcher]

That's one way ME, lol.

Just blitzkrieg it.

Since the AP drawing is symmetrical then if we want to find how the shape of the white areas are formed with geometry we could just start identifying and using nodes and intersections etc. I think I did that once but there was no real method behind it. Eventually we'd get down to smaller and smaller scale until a line matched I guess.

Oystein asked why 3 white areas a while earlier ?

One reason could be because of that same symmetry in the drawing. Looks the same rotated 1/3rd turn. That could point to 3 dimensions, X, Y, Z.

[MrVibrating]

If my current hypothesis is correct, the "prime mover" reduces to two inertias, plus gravity. A kind of Trinity..?

[Oystein]

My thoughts from what I found elsewhere (What I write here is just a quick rambling and how this (AP) may relate to the double standard I found in my work with the general historical codes).

About the 3 and 5 and why there was Bible quotes changed with Math (or Matth.) /Euclid "quotes". Yes Metthew was probably shortened to resemble Math! (Matth./Math) German: Mathematik.

"Religion versus Science"

Nature must be explained by science. Religion has to describe nature. Galileo, said: The bible does not describe nature correctly..

Bessler even indicated that his machine could resemble Jesus, and people would sing "Jesus has risen", when he uncovers his wheel..

The Bible-code I found, is used by Bessler in many places, and by RC and Masons. At the lowest level it can be described as: 3,5 and 55

From knowing 3 and 5, you can by Pythagoras/Euclid formulas build the formula of God/Jesus, and finally arrive at 55. A perfect Pyramid. Others (not me) say that this formula was used in some special pyramids before Christ.

So the numerology starts back there. Hebrew Bible Gematria will give you:
"Jesus Christ" has the value relation 5:3

4 can be derived at using Pythagoras formula 3x3 and 5x5 and you get 4x4, and the length of the missing side i(square root of 4x4=16) = 4

Then 4 has the Gematria value relation: "Understanding".

3-4-5 = "Understanding Jesus Christ"

3-4-5 is described in Euclid's Elements 1-47, in the formula Albert Pike say all Masonry is built upon.

So 3/5 has a special and really Basic meaning for those doing secret numerology and it is ancient knowledge and how it is related to Pythagoras formula. A formula he learned when he traveled Egypt. It was not his original formula. It was hundreds or a thousand years older.. (That is known).

So why would MT 137 fit in? (It does) Bessler draw this formula with a "sun"? in the center. And you have the 12 star signs? around.

Or does 1 sun and 12 star signs, relate to a double meaning: 12 disciples around Jesus? Thus MT 137 onto 3:5 (AP Wheel). ("Converting table" Attached)

What I write here is not my ideas, but just a collection of observations presented by others..

So to the wheel. There is something more do be done obviously, but to go on, it would demand a lot of double and triple geometric reference (for you to accept and settle), so I hope you may enjoy the figure for now.

When solved correctly the inward lines actually may be connected to another more important "thing". But that is not for me to do now.

It still serves as a simple proof of concept, and can show how it is directly connected to the Devil - -

[Oystein]

quote ME:

But the fact those secret groups rediscovered some universal truths (but nevertheless hid it in codes) should give us hope we could rediscover Bessler's wheel without the codes in case he used them for just that.
Still good you're on the lookout though !
?

One way to see it.

Kind of like saying: "Money will only give you trouble"

In Norway we call it "Poor man's comfort".. (No phun...:-)

But since the codes leads us from standard secret geometry into codes leading to physical items unrelated to math/matth. or religion, I am reluctant to fully agree. But if we find a complete inventory, I can not say.

At my workplace as most others, where I work as a computer and network security engineer, we all have different tasks.

If Bessler's wheel was a serious project, we would not all be doing mechanics, all with individual ideas, starting from their own "scratch". Almost none would be building unproven machines at this stage..Money wasted..

Just my two cents..