Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page"

[daxwc]

Killemaces:

Why are there 2:-- and not one-?

Yes good; add to that, why two AP wheels in the book not one.

[ovyyus]

If it is a WHO (the devils number) then my guess is NERO.

Bessler's devil was probably Wagner :D

[Oystein]

Oystein, I have some good news for you that you might enjoy. First off, allow me to apologize for any confusion, as it was never my intention to debunk your work. When I traced the AP Wheel, I had no idea where it would lead. That being said, I will be posting some findings in my AP Geometry thread that just might interest you. :)

Hey, I'm actually not refuting that by combining 3 and 5 we can have arrive at a septagram angle, following the natural sequence 3-5-7 as this even is a Masonic "rule", but what I am refuting is that a septagram was among the basic geometric figures used to construct the AP Wheel figure in the first place. The white opening may actually fit a septagram, but the septagram itself was not the simplest geometric shape you put on to paper to construct the "AP Wheel", to define the white pizza slices, but much simpler: 3 and 5.

I worked a long time trying to fit the septagram in as a basic figure of construction, to defend any of the basic construction points, but it don't fit.

What I am saying is that 3 and 5 is the two most basic figures needed to construct the "AP Wheel". The septagram angle may be one outcome". I have no problem with that! If the angle matches that of a septagon, it fits nicely with the "masonic steps" 3,5,7 (Attached)

But still the basic numbers 3 and 5 was the most basic you needed, (a triangle and a pentagon) and it can lead you to 3,5,7 but as always, two places. Also finally 3-4-5.

[Oystein]

[Bessler's devil was probably Wagner :D

Not far from the truth Ovyyus.

In some of the - - he was..

One of the times I was in Germany, I got help from a couple of people to fill the other blanks in AP. Some of the phrases is still in use today..

Yes he compares Wagner to an evil person, though not the Devil himself..

Like - - = "Schurke" (evil person) or - - = "Eierdiebe" (Egg thief). Today an egg thief wouldn't be big of deal? But the Germans said, that by tradition this was one of the simplest/evil/scumbag of acts... So yes, the blanks are something evil...

[PLMKRN]

Oystein, is this all from your side, about AP drawing?!

PLMKRN

[Oystein]

is this all from your side, about AP drawing?!

No, but by that you meant to ask?:

- Will I tell more here in this thread? (Maybe, or start a new thread)
- Do I have more at all? (Yes)
- This was really nothing, is that all? (ok)

If just a few is interested, and the majority think nothing they don't present themselves is trustworthy, and "I don't believe in codes" and so forth..I don't see why I should spend more time writing and making more illustrations, presenting what some perceive as faulty claims..It wasn't really for myself I presented it.

Because of my private life, it becomes a bit of a hassle to write, draw, discuss and counter criticism with babywatching, a wife to pay attention to, and a job. Especially when the criticism arise before all the evidence is presented.(nor can it all be presented in some forum posts". My total graphic documentation is now 6000 files and about 600 pages text, so this, in comparison, little thread has so many missing holes that could be filled with confirmative information) So when the beginning, nor the end of the story or the repetition of the code is collected at the same place, there is no end to possible reasons to see why I am wrong. I hoped for more of the curious questions, or people already getting ahead of me.

Though I must thank those who know who they are, for their feedback, it is what keeps you/me going..!!

I would have guessed and hoped that I had given you what you needed, and that The Devil now was written here "on the wall" in this thread by curios members already..

My ambition was to use this thread as a boost in a very busy and tiresome time in my life, and use the occasion to give something back to a forum that used to keep me going. It stresses me when a natural "give and take" process feels unbalanced..

Let me evaluate, and I may start a new thread named "Hunting the Devil". This is how The AP Wheel code, Bessler's "doodle code", the Euclid figure, the code of 3 and 5, proceed into AP and MT and becomes something more, as the now discovered Devil first proves the former figure and methods, and now splits and works both as a text based and a geometric and confirmative parallel code of AP and MT.

The problem you see, is that when I start, there will again arise the "need" for individual repetitive evidence and background story and accusations of bad workmanship.. This is my brainchild, I spent so many thousand of hours on this, and it will be my life's great work, and it hurts me and stresses me, when I don't have the time to make thorough enough post to cover those holes, and then counter all the accusations of bad workmanship with individual documentation while the baby is crying for attention..That was what I tried to tell in the first post.

So if I "dump it" here it will be kicked and tossed, and make me feel bad, and if I give you what you actually need...it would be to read my whole documentary book on codes, and then next book on Bessler's codes.. Books which is not avail. at any time very soon..

Best
ØR

[Fletcher]

They say 'the devil is in the detail' Oystein ;7)

I'm happy enough to gloss and skim along at the moment. I'll read the proof of proofs to the power ^ n when your books come out. You've said that you have them.

I don't know about others but your arguments feel persuasive to me. They 'feel right' at some deeper level. Like something Bessler would tie back to to add credibility and substance to his own publications by association.

FWIW I think the devil number and the name NERO might be one and the same because the Jewish Old Testament refers to the devils number and Bessler having spent time with a rabi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero#The_Antichrist

Additionally I believe that codes were applied to Nero's name etc to come up with the number. IOW's it was a way used by the Jesuits to send a message to those able to read the codes warning about Nero. The codes I believe much like Bessler's and your research reveals IINM.

[killemaces]

Keep up the good work Øystein, only those who looks fore magic will find it.

Is the devil 88?and if so what comes next?

[WaltzCee]

Oystein,

I do appreciate your contributions to the forum. Mostly
I just read and try and follow. As I see it Bessler, without
the tools we have and with the primitive comprehension
of his day, found something in reality that still escapes us.

And your theme as I see it is he encoded his work beginning
with the most fundamental ideas for the expressed reason
there would be no doubt he found what he said he did.

He dropped these bread crumbs not in some self devised
fashion but in an established Hansel and Gretel manner
he knew would be known until someone finally stumbled
on the truth he found.

[Oystein]

Thank you.

For those who think what I found seems right and reasonable, you can PM me, and I will give you the Devil's correct number and make you an illustration of why this could't be right, if all the others wasn't right.

The only thing I ask is that you afterwards go back into this thread and tell truly if you think what I gave you was right. (I demand the truth :-).

In this way, some may understand how it is when you make up your mind about something building new knowledge only on past knowledge, and coloured by what have been taught. So, if you don't believe the facts I have presented here, you can't possibly deduce new results from it. You have in a way opened one door and closed another door.

So "The Devil's" true value is the product of the codes on this page. If you think my methods is right, and you are excited about that, you may follow on to the next step..

I don't know if we can send .jpg on PM? If not, I could e-mail you, or open a private forum? What do you think?

If it's not that important, we can leave it be..

[Oystein]

Oystein,

I do appreciate your contributions to the forum. Mostly
I just read and try and follow. As I see it Bessler, without
the tools we have and with the primitive comprehension
of his day, found something in reality that still escapes us.

And your theme as I see it is he encoded his work beginning
with the most fundamental ideas for the expressed reason
there would be no doubt he found what he said he did.

He dropped these bread crumbs not in some self devised
fashion but in an established Hansel and Gretel manner
he knew would be known until someone finally stumbled
on the truth he found.

Yes you now see that split pyramid in a slightly new perspective. You even may find an "eye" on the toy page...Yes, all Bessler's pages are started as geometric formulas... "In ONE we trust". ONE or Monad/Monas was the "God" of Pythagoras, Monas - meaning ONE.

[Fletcher]

I don't think you can send any attachments with a PM Oystein.

A private forum sounds good. You can control who the members are and if you want to vet membership they can ask you to join by PM.

Up to you.

[Oystein]

I think too.

It will suit me more.

So it's Scott that establish the private forums?

[ovaron]

@Oystein
For me, the whole decoding is a real eye-opener. As an ignorant, I can contribute absolutely nothing to further discussion, but would like to learn more. Many things regarding Bessler now I see with completely different eyes. Thanks for that.

[daanopperman]

Øystein ,

I think if you have to many pm you will be engulfed . I think most would love to learn more , it would take years as you know to get to a point where you are already .

There is 2 things that you stated that is bothering me , one was mentioned , but not elaborated on , the other was mentioned but is directly related to Bessler .

You stated that science proved the Bible wrong , yet Bessler must have known this from his findings , yet he was a deeply devoted Christian .

The other thing you asked about was the upside down question mark .
Is it possible to dig deeper here

Thank you for sharing your work , if your books were available I would have them by now .