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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Care to elaborate? What six layers and where.. are you describing?



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Yes, a pyramid with triangular base, I see.

In the RC watermarks such a pyramid would contain 35 grapes, and in a square based pyramid it would contain 55.
Nice! You are right, the grape figure could also have a triangular base.

I found that the basic numbers was 3 5 or 55.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Tetrahedron?

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RegularTetrahedron.html


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Oystein wrote:
Yes, a pyramid with triangular base, I see.

In the RC watermarks such a pyramid would contain 35 grapes, and in a square based pyramid it would contain 55.
Nice! You are right, the grape figure could also have a triangular base.

I found that the basic numbers was 3 5 or 55.


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Hey Oystein .. wouldn't a 5 layer grape pyramid like the watermark depiction have 35 grapes for the triangle pyramid (not including bottom), and 45 for the square base pyramid. And be 54 grapes if you include the bottom 5th side ?

Or have I made a mistake - hmm ... volume of the internal ?

ETA: 55


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Oystein wrote:
So the question in this thread really comes down to:

Did I or did I not in my private forum deduce the correct devil's number by the described methods on the AP page?

Meaning that Euclid's formula contains the answer?

Yes, no doubt?
Most likely?
Don't seems like it?
No?
Unheard of?


Most Likely Oystein, IMO.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

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Did I or did I not in my private forum deduce the correct devil's number by the described methods on the AP page?


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Most Likely Oystein, IMO.


Thank you Fletcher! You "never" put your guard up, and I have made an illustration for you. Including a little picture of my son, on our trip to our National Science Centre, where we built a square pyramid of 5 layers. Reaching the number 55.

The RC "grapes" has two possible solutions, making it a stable "construction".

Attached is an illustration of how the 3-4-5, The Pythagoras formula and the Pyramid number 55 correlates by my son "Baby Mason" Elias (1 year) building a pyramid of 5 layers as in the RC watermark.


About a possible double meaning, the grapes can also be one side of a Triangular Pyramid:

Then A Triangular pyramid from 5 layers is 1+3+6+10+15=35 (Attached)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahedral_number

35 55, the numbers will appear again..and again..

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

As you soon will see, Bessler, the Rosicrucians, mathematicians and philosophers used something called magic numbers.

This means that a question, a task by letters or numbers never has one single purpose or solution, but a magic happening, where several criteria is met.

When I'm done babysitting I will show how Gematria could be solved by two similar methods, leaving us with two different answers, where both are correct!

We are not used to that kind of tasks today, where everything is written in "stone"... or rather books or Internet, so easily available and with answers given to you. answers, not always correct, or magic. (two things could be correct).

So the almost invisible Rosicrucian watermarks from Shakespeare, Francis Bacon and Ben Johnson and so forth..they show a triangular stack of 5 layers of "grapes", that can have two answers. (Thus the answer is magic)
Because the stack show us only two of the three dimensions, the stack can have either 35 or 55 grapes in total. This is because the base could be triangular or square. How could we know?

Both answers must be correct then.. 35 55 it is!

In the same way, Bessler incorporated this into his Chronograms..BUT he was not the first to do this! This to is a tradition not widely known. The secret is well hidden behind the first successful and obvious answer. One method must always "loose" through an intellectual fight. the second answer will stay hidden, until we open up for the fact that RC methods has several correct answers, that are all correct. I found it by learning that if I look for something in particular, I may only find that thing, OR fabricating "facts". I have learned. So I always operated with many answer to the problems and put them in a table. Only in this way the magic could be found..After many years of learning by mistakes and some success, I then stopped to define, what I wanted to find! This is being open..Only in that way the objective truth can be found.

So the Chronograms have another, second answer than what Stewart claim or JC has found. (Really no offence). A chronogram is not really magic by presenting one simple answer is it?

Will be back :-)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: re: Cracking Apologia "Wheel Page" Report Post to Admin

In Apologia Poetica Bessler writes that he corporated with a Rabbi, (a Jewish priest) and that he learned more from him than than almost any other person. (Something like that...taken from memory...).

What can be said about Jewish methods, relating to the methods I found and have showed traces of in this thread?

Gematria was and is a Jewish tradition, and nothing special. Bible verses was popular places to look for Gematria values! (Adding the value of letters and numbers).

Even my son at age 7 was today learning about Jewish traditions. He was writing the ROSH HASHANA trough looking up the alphabetic values of the letters, and picked the correct letters from a line of numbers.

How come it is so common method, even among kids, and at the same time so "far out" for me to suggest that the bible verses of AP used the method?

I think it is VERY likely that Bessler was taught this from the Jewish Rabbi. It was also used to find coinciding numbers from words or phrases in the bible.

On Wikipedia we may read:

Gematria originated as an Assyro-Babylonian-Greek system of alphanumeric code or cipher later adopted into Jewish culture that assigns numerical value to a word, name, or phrase in the belief that words or phrases with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other or bear some relation to the number itself as it may apply to Nature, a person's age, the calendar year, or the like. A single world can yield multiple values depending on the system used.
Similar systems, some of which were derived from or inspired by Hebrew gematria, have been used in other languages and cultures, i.e. Greek isopsephy, Arabic abjad numerals, and English gematria.
A well-known example of Hebrew gematria is the word chai ("alive"), which is composed of two letters that (using the assignments in the Mispar gadol table shown below) add up to 18. This has made 18 a "lucky number" among the Jewish people. Gifts of money in multiples of 18 are very popular.

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