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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

The vertical lift areas of a wheel are 10 to 12, and 6:00 to 8:00,,,8:00 to 10:00 and 2:00 to 4:00 are horizontal lift areas


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:04 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

For the past months, I have been trying to find different configurations of my auto wheel concept that would help one mech system to be fully lifted back and reset at the 12 o’clock position, Fletcher’s sim shows it is not possible.

I now realise that I was trying futile attempts.

One mech system WILL never reset, by itself.
Several mechs, working in precise arrangement will be the prerequisite of a successful wheel.

Bessler has said that with one crossbar, his wheel hardly moved but with two or more, it worked.

“L’union fait la force”.

I rest my case with my original Auto Wheel concept. I hope to build a working prototype in due course.

My search for a wheel is now over.

Raj



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:39 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

My Wheel SEARCH is over.

I have found what I could possibly find: my torque driven wheel consisting of just a drum wheel, weights and strings.

The easiest wheel to understand and replicate.

Tonight is a most religious and sacred night for HINDUS: Night of Lord Shiva.

When I woke up this morning, I was so engrossed in my wheel thoughts, I did not realize what day it was: Maha Shivratri , most sacred day for hindus, like me.

I plod on with my wheel drawings alone at home all day, and at sunset, I got a brainwave.
An idea, improvement on my Auto Wheel concept just flashed.
I immediately made new drawing, rectifying dimensions and materials of my Auto Wheel.

When I finished, I saw my wife watching Maha Shivratri religious ceremony program on our local TV channel.

I felt sad to have completely forgotten a pious day like today.

Then I inwardly thank the LORD. It was meant that way for what I had just found:

Here it is:
My FINAL Auto Wheel concept, with its new configurations.

1. is a drum wheel of eight units diameter.
2. strings of eight units length.
3. strings of ten units length.
4. strings of eight units length.
5. weights swinging on three strings, (2, 3, and 4) on three separate adjoining pivots at 90 degrees intervals, with string(4) in the middle.

Two diametrically opposite weights swing in separate vertical compartments.

Kindly look at this, my last drawing on this forum, and have YOUR SAY.

Thank you.

Raj





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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Hi Raj .. I appreciate you say two diametrically opposed weights operate in tandem. However I have created a sim of a single weight with the 3 constraining strings in place for you to consider.

I include 3 Screen Grabs for you to also consider. The second one tracks the single center weight CoM so you can see where it goes in relation to a vertical line beneath the axle for torque purposes.

1. Start conditions with a small push start

2. When the Wheel reverses at 310 degrees

3. An at interval progression of the Dynamic single weight sim.

You can possibly combine different shots to work out where the CoG for two weights is and torque contributions.

All The Best.





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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:05 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

And here is the two diametrically opposed weight system Raj.

Note I also show the System CoM as well as tracking weight paths.

FWIW the Wheel revolves to 135.5 degrees before reversing.

Best





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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:04 am    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Dear Fletcher.

Eight weights are Working in collaboration as one system, to rotate CLOCKwise, as the picture shows their positions, providing clockwise torque.

Two diametrically opposite weights per separate vertical space in drum wheel is just to avoid clogging and hindering their motions.

Take all the eight weights together from this starting position, and see how their positions and torque change through 360 degrees, turning clockwise.

PLEASE just draw them, manually, if you care.
You will find continuous torque clockwise.

NB: Bessler has often talked about “Connectedness” which can exist in a whole system and not in isolated part alone.

Raj


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:47 am    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

OK Raj .. here is the 8 Weight System starting from 0 degrees. It reverses at 22 degrees after being given a small CW push start.

FWIW you can see the accumulation of weights to the left of the vertical beneath the axle.

Best





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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:44 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Raj,
I know that once you recharge yourself,you will be back with more drawings and more designs.Although you haven't had the wheel success that you've been looking for,you have certainly inspired us to keep trying and to keep sharing.

Fletcher,
Thank you for being a truly helpful member of this forum.Your efforts have allowed us all to move further forward.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Sleepy .. I get absolutely no pleasure from building these types of sims because they most often ultimately crash someones dreams. And that's not fun for anyone.

My philosophy is to try not to instantly dismiss any idea as unworkable but just switch off and put one foot in front of the other and add the detail the sim requires to operate somewhat as intended. The process is often at odds with the designer because the sim doesn't care nor anticipate what might happen and humans often get that wrong.

Yet from my point of view the process is necessary so that we can all learn something and hopefully apply what we learned to another approach that overcomes that particular weakness. Not easy to do, especially if you are emotionally invested or the 'fever' is high ;7)

For that Raj gets my kudos because he has shared openly and that's why I will sometimes build sims of his inventions so that he, I, and you, can all learn something that otherwise would likely remain in the fog of our dreams. Of course if any of Raj's builds show different behaviour than the sim predicts I would want to compare the real build to the sim to see why, and that is where it could get interesting for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

@ Sleepy!
Thank you for your kind words.

@ Fletcher.
Thank you for your dedicated help.

As we all know, all addicts crave for their daily dose.

I just love my continued daily dose of Bessler Wheel search.

So here is my today's masterpiece:

This morning I woke up, as always trying to come up with a Eureka idea, with the thought of Pythagoras, his theorem and the right-angle triangle sides of 3,4 and 5 units.
My thought process roamed freely, and came to number 5 that have been abundantly debated on our forum.
I worked on how a right angle triangle with number 5 can be connected with a circle.

I drew a wheel with offset axle, with three spokes of 3, 4 and 5 unit length.
Can anyone see this in my drawing below?

While making some drawings, an idea about ' figure of 8' came.

To cut a story short, it took me this whole day to find my new Auto Wheel concept. This new concept has no connection with any of my previous works/drawings.

It is a beauty or again, as always, just mirage!

What have here:

1. is a drum wheel of six units inner diameter.
2. is axle.
3. are two identical diametrically opposite circular channels, of four units inner diameter, fix/connected to inner rim of drum wheel.
4. are two identical balls/weights resting/rolling, each on separate channels, upwards and downwards alternately, always towards the descending side of drum wheel.

I see four balanced points, each at 90 degrees turns.

Between each 90 degrees balanced points, the ball/weight on the upper channel roll down slower because of gradient difference, while the ball/weight on the lower channel roll faster and ahead to the next balanced point, providing torque.

Then instantly the ball/weight on the upper channel begin to roll faster and ahead than the ball/weight on the lower channel as the gradient of the channels changes for the next 90 degrees, balanced point, providing torque to drum wheel alternately.

Raj





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin

Can this drawing be seen as the two circular channels in my new auto wheel concept in the drawing above?

It can be shown that there is zero (no) line of symmetry through the point where the three lines in this drawing meet.

This goes to show that the two balls/weights rolling in the two channels can never have symmetric torque.

Raj





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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: re: This is my wheel concept 2017, not Bessler's 1717... Report Post to Admin

sleepy wrote:
Fletcher,
Thank you for being a truly helpful member of this forum.Your efforts have allowed us all to move further forward.

Big heart and sharp mind. Good thing there aren't more Fletchers in the world. Then he'd just be average.



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