M. Turbine III

[justsomeone]

New pic for ya.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Justsomeone,
nice picture, but it hasn't a way, room, for swinging, swinging is the key.
weights act in pairs ,wHere ?

[justsomeone]

Hi Georg, You are correct, no room for swinging on this Buzzsaw gravity wheel. This is not a Bessler type wheel. This was invented in 1909 and apparently worked. I still feel fortunate to be the current owner!

[justsomeone]

More info on the buzzsaw wheel here Georg.

www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... hlight=doc

[charly2]

It could work Justsomeone, there is room for a short swing, and inner and outer parts were fixed, my guess is that inner slots were more than outer for testing purposes in different positions, it worked very different as we did believe. It allows no more than 4 weights.

[rlortie]

charly2,

Preston Stroud worked on this thing for three years, I spent more like four years not only in build, but chasing down relatives and search for alleged books and papers in the hands of heir apparent.

A meeting of all living family members took place in New York to discuss what could be remembered of the wheel. I was invited but unable to make the trip.

There were a total of three known builds all collaborating, we tried every weight combination and gear ratios imaginable.

With total discretion from all involved, Preston published our findings on Peswiki.com A now defunct entity guided by the New Energy Congress, a network of 50+ energy professionals who were dedicated to clean energy technology advancement.

Here is a You-tube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozcd12QTNrw&t=49s

I have on file most of all family correspondence which I have shared with current owner.

In memory of Docfeelsgood, David Hoke: http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/downl ... ser_id&b=1

Now can we please return this thread to agor95 and M. Turbine III

Ralph Lortie

[charly2]

Ralph,when I saw the picture, I could not resist to share some light, years ago I studied the case, and I also made my own buzz saw wheel, my non working bz wheel, today is clearer, but, perhaps it is better to wait just a little more for my wheel to be finished, a comparison then would be necessary and interesting.
Sorry for hijacking your topic agor.

[agor95]

No Problem a new Topic Thread has been created for members.

Regards

[ChrisHarper]

Looking at Charly2's overlay, my intuition screams what this buzzsaww mech was.

IMO it was a central selector to engage / disengage one mating wheel from another to create different peripheral weight-distribution combinations, with imbalance of the whole creating torque.

Rather than the bussaw having weights in the physical slots, it had, as Charly states, it had sprung pivotted pawls; this was just a hub engagement cog. A simplified planetary gear-chain.

To visualise , put you hands together palm to palm, and splay your fingers. Now rotate one hand on its palm and see the relative spacing combinations between the layer fingers, thus creating continuous OB

Edit . This is also screaming to me to be a part of a 'mechanical 'rotation-gate'' mechanism
https://youtu.be/KKVNiXsJ1Mk

Does this make sense, or it it just me ? 😨😂
Chris

[agor95]

Back on Topic I hope.

I am simulating one bar and trying to find the Peacock Tail dynamics.

I think the wheel size helped to give the end masses time to move from inner
to outer position. That time gave the wheel time to rotate.

So a small wheel needs to rotate faster to allow this dependencies to co-exist.

A large wheel means it has a chance to start from a slow rate using a pendulum.

A small wheel does not have that option.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Agor95,

you are right, a small wheel hasn't this possibility. The movement is time depending.

Why do you think that Bessler made his wheel so big ? Only for fun ?
To change the position of the weights it needs time. Only after this swing it can produce torque.

[ChrisHarper]

The reason Bessler made his wheels so big, was because the ability of the device to rotate itself was not enough to impress.

He had to show that his wheel could drive an ancillary mechanism capable of performing a meaniful and relatable industrial-function. At the time, that was lifting weights, stampers or water.

As he stated that torque was proportional to diameter? He had no choice but to scale up to create an interest in his machine.

Chris

[agor95]

Why do you think that Bessler made his wheel so big ? Only for fun ?

The answer is because he had to for the reasons stated.

[agor95]

I have looked at my helper web site, accessed via my profile.

Yes it does have a copy and pasted look to the mathematics section.

That does release me to look at the other aspects.

The Euler–Lagrange equation of motion is advanced.

It does have hope too prove one rotation can generate more energy in the Bessler Wheel design shown.

I will carry on copying and pasting as I learn more.

Regards

[Georg Künstler]

Hi agor95,

all of the mathematicans which you named, Euler and Lagrange lived later than Bessler, so Bessler could not use this mathematic.

A swinging in a clock, an oscillation of a music instrument he had understood.

And, Bessler knows how to amplify tones, as we do it today with the tune fork on a wooden plate, an resonant body.

So if you try to solve the riddle with Euler and Lagrange your attempt will fail.

Try the way :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duality_(mathematics)

one sentence from above:
Many mathematical dualities between objects of two types correspond to pairings

Weights act in pairs, (the experts will have the reference to the original source), I have read a long time ago.