emblem or decoration ?

[Oystein]

You may have a look at how Gott (God) is "misstyped" in AP!

It all follows a system. But Bessler was not the first.

Sometimes he types Gott, sometime GOtt, sometimes changes font so it looks just like 50tt.

This was also done in "Der 3auber Teuffel" ca.150 years earlier.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3106873.image

So why would Bessler in AP write ORFFYRE as ORFFREY, and why would he write Gott as "50tt" ?

O+R+F+F+Y+R+E = 88
O+R+F+F+R+E+Y = 88
50+t+t = 88

etc..

As you didn't want to come to my private forum, and to read how I deduced the devils number - - (two digits/letters) it would be hard for you to follow..

666 etc. is public speculations. In my opinion, the Rosicrucian/Masonic secrets are NOT public today! So 666 it's not then..

[ME]

Attached an attempted retype of The Magic Devil in two different fonts.

Puzzle challenge: Try to find the "x" and "y" in the original text without looking at the San-serif text. (I can't).

--The text is a copy/paste from an info-pop-up; some "s"-s are replaced by an "f"; some capitals are made lowercase to match the print; Some lines are combined;

[Oystein]

There is a problem (error) with the transcription though..some letters are misinterpreted simply because some of the fonts are pushed very far towards looking like other letters..

Error in your example:
Witchcraft is written Hexerei in German NOT Hexerey so that could be one reason you can't find the "y".. the "y" isn't y, but an i, but looking like an "n".

i can look like n
i can look like i
etc. (Look at the last page of AP!) Why would a group of people make some letters looking just like another letter? Why have this dual opportunity? Bessler applied it as a code, so one word could have two different meanings depending on how the reader recognize the word. You see Hexerey, I see Hexerei.. (In this case the meaning doesn't change though) Sometimes in AP it is done (alternative fonts chosen) so the word can look just like another and be mixed with another word..changing the whole sentence and the meaning of the sentence.

The same with N and R. They can be close to impossible to distinguish. Often you would only know from recognizing the rest of the word/letters. Sometimes it could be used to actually write two word at the same time, as one word. Masonry is duality. One meaning for the average person, and two for the adept.

[Johndoe2]

You may have a look at how Gott (God) is "misstyped" in AP!

It all follows a system. But Bessler was not the first.

Sometimes he types Gott, sometime GOtt, sometimes changes font so it looks just like 50tt.

This was also done in "Der 3auber Teuffel" ca.150 years earlier.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3106873.image

So why would Bessler in AP write ORFFYRE as ORFFREY, and why would he write Gott as "50tt" ?

O+R+F+F+Y+R+E = 88
O+R+F+F+R+E+Y = 88
50+t+t = 88

etc..

As you didn't want to come to my private forum, and to read how I deduced the devils number - - (two digits/letters) it would be hard for you to follow..

666 etc. is public speculations. In my opinion, the Rosicrucian/Masonic secrets are NOT public today! So 666 it's not then..

So what is the devil's number?

[Oystein]

I didn't make it public yet. Only in private..

[ME]

There is a problem (error) with the transcription though..some letters are misinterpreted simply because some of the fonts are pushed very far towards looking like other letters..

Error in your example:
Witchcraft is written Hexerei in German NOT Hexerey so that could be one reason you can't find the "y".. the "y" isn't y, but an i, but looking like an "n".

i can look like n
i can look like i

I used the transcription, because it's a hard to read script: it's more shape-recognition...
In my previous attachement those letters on the right are font-based and top vs down are equal in character-code (could have used Times New Roman)

My dictionary agrees on "Hexerei", but a google search on "Hexerey" makes it even appear in wikipedia.
I could rewrite it in Fraktur-font (Breitkopf Fraktur) with an "i", but in my previous attachement "Hexerey" at the right already looks as printed on the left.

This word is not the issue, but the expertise (and the cost) of the typesetter is.
Extremely easy to make mistakes: dark light, work stress...
(I this day and age we challenge "l", "I" and "1", and "O", "0", "o" when "typesetting" registration codes).
In "Fraktur" the difference between an "x" and an "r" is just a sliver, between "y" and "n" it's a curl. At least the "i" has a literally outstanding dot.

Yet despite all that font-bashing, that "Z" is not even close of being a "3" but appears to be as a "Z" ought to be (it's not my choice).

I have no idea what Bessler may have secretly intended. We could try to fit all kinds of things.
And many (life's-) choices are clouded in duality: the main theme of all stories and rituals in even prehistoric times). So that's a meaningless argument.

Will it eventually point us to some actual mechanism, or only just signals this machine might be very devilish in the wrong and greedy hands?

[WaltzCee]

I didn't make it public yet. Only in private..

Hello Oystein,

Why do they call it the devil's number?

[daxwc]

The Legend shows an agreement with six articles that they drew up Prior to their separation, bounding themselves one to another to keep:
1) That none of them should profess any other thing than to cure the sick, and that gratis.
2) None of the posterity should be constrained to wear one kind of habit, but to follow the custom of the country.
3) Every year, upon the day C., they would meet together at the house Santi Spiritus, or write the cause of their absence.
4) Every Brother should seek a worthy person to succeed him after his death.
5) The word CR should be their seal, mark, and character.
6) The Fraternity should remain secret one hundred years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fama_Fraternitatis

[Oystein]

I didn't make it public yet. Only in private..

Hello Oystein,

Why do they call it the devil's number?

I have no idea why most people call things by different names. All do it for different reasons. But way back by masons and adepts, I think "The Devil" was a name for anything that the church may call the devil. The devil would then be anything that would put Jesus and the origin of christianity in a bad light.

As an example the printers (Many adepts) would name "The Devil in Print". Besslers mentions him in AP.

This "devil" made letters move.. so ORFFYRE would become ORFFREY, or that the o in Gott would sometimes turn from small to large.. GOtt.

The church would of course fear a code talking against the catholic consensus! As an example If this manipulation done by this "devil" would happen in a new translation of the bible, for certain it must be "the devil".

Many pages containing the RC or Masonic code, had an invisible grid, so you would know where to put the manipulated letters, numbers or figures. These grids (could look like a checkerboard, and is why freemasons often is depicted on checkerboard floors ar have such jewelry etc.

The basic in print and in buildings is such a grid.

This Grid can be described by a number!

This is the number of "The devil in Print", that Bessler write about in AP.

In AP, this devil must have two letters or numbers... not 3 (like 666).

So, the number gives further insight. (Like explaining a grid or a mechanical part etc.) not just a meaningless number. Or else Bessler wouldn't need to put work into leading us to it!

[Oystein]

The Legend shows an agreement with six articles that they drew up Prior to their separation, bounding themselves one to another to keep:
1) That none of them should profess any other thing than to cure the sick, and that gratis.
2) None of the posterity should be constrained to wear one kind of habit, but to follow the custom of the country.
3) Every year, upon the day C., they would meet together at the house Santi Spiritus, or write the cause of their absence.
4) Every Brother should seek a worthy person to succeed him after his death.
5) The word CR should be their seal, mark, and character.
6) The Fraternity should remain secret one hundred years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fama_Fraternitatis

Yes, you are correct!

[daxwc]

No I am not correct, although Wiki might be. You know Oystein, I like your work but I would be more adapt to believe you if you showed some references. Telling me to trust you isn’t enough. I say that with no malice and your book publisher is going to want it anyway.

You must cite:
-Facts, figures, ideas, or other information that is not common knowledge

https://libguides.mit.edu/citing

Please don’t take this post the wrong way, just trying to help in the long run.

[daxwc]

Oystein:

666 etc. is public speculations. In my opinion, the Rosicrucian/Masonic secrets are NOT public today! So 666 it's not then…

I don’t agree Oystein, my opinion a lot of Masonic secrets are public but just not all tied in with a reason and proper flow of ideas especially when it comes to geometry and mathematical concepts.

[ovaron]

This "devil" made letters move.. so ORFFYRE would become ORFFREY, or that the o in Gott would sometimes turn from small to large.. GOtt.

The scripture style "GOtt" as opposed to "Gott" seems to have been the normal style at that time. In the Luther Bible (unrevised from 1545) it is always written "GOtt" or "HErr (lord)". (see attachment)

Hard to imagine that this the devil had done.

[Oystein]

lol You don't believe in a real devil do you?

The point is that these traditions was in play long before Bessler as you point out! The methods was maybe at it's most popular 100 to 200 years before Bessler. Both in print, great art and architecture. The Rosicrucians say these methods again can be traced back to Plato and Pythagoras several hundred years B:C. and even back to ancient Egypt and Babylonia where Pythagoras had his teachings by Egyptian priests and mathematicians. This was often secret teachings, so Pythagoras started his own cult of secret teachings about Matth. and GOtt.

The "Devil" was of course only a name for things the (in particular) catholic church didn't like.

All rational people know the devil isn't a real being but only a name for negative behaviour. In that way spelling hinting at a secondary or opposite message could be "evil".

Like the wars between the catholics and the (evil) protestants. If a protestant printer changed a font to hint at a secondary message... He may accuse the devil, but we now know who the "devil" was..

Conclusion: No the devil didn't do it, and such discussions is childish. Yes, we see traces of a tradition started by people of higher knowledge, that could spell and read. At a time that was a GREAT power! If a scientist signal Pythagoras in stead of Jesus... the devil could be blamed, but we know it only was a secondary hint or a code, that we now may call a tradition.. Rosicrucians still exist and their work is still alive and performed with great care, the masonic encyclopedia says!

[ovaron]

You didn't got the point. If "GOtt" was written by Bessler instead of "Gott", it has no hidden message but is the usual spelling. LOL.