I cannot think of any wheel concept simpler than this...

[Johndoe2]

I like your design. Best of luck and God bless. Please keep us informed of your progress.

[Johndoe2]

May I ask where your idea came from ?
Did it come from Bessler or his clues maybe ?

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Raj,
thanks for your explanation. I have made such constructions about 15 years ago. I have used eccentrical weighs to achive the imballance. (blue Drum).

Also my inner wheel is Rotating faster than the outer one. Technically this is a gear construction with the ratio which you sayed is 2:1.

But this is only the half truth. it can be every relation. It is depending on the turning outer speed and the internal speed. There is a relation but not neccessaryly 2:1

Technicians don't use this movement, they like to calculate exactly.

Also I like to mention here, it is essential that te system itself is swinging.

When you buildt it you must meet the natural frequence of your system.
As an example you can shake a half filled bottle of water. to slow and it will not work, to fast, and it will not work.

All the best for your construction, it will be difficult to meet the right frequence, but make your experiance.

It will be then your solution to extract energy from gravity, but not a Bessler wheel.

[Johndoe2]

I had thought of doing a very similar build.

[raj]

I have just CROSSED the finishing line at 8.08 pm 18/08/18
Mauritius time.

It’s simply 137.

Raj

[ChrisHarper]

Raj,

Although I am not interested in your design at any level, but as a person whose used the online IPO filing process many times myself, I'm curious what documents you attach to generate the Filing application number.

I cannot believe that you have a fully formed set of Description, Picture and Claims docs, because if you did, you'd surely show them here instead of a rough sketch. ?

For example , some of my previously submitted Drawings

https://youtu.be/8UvxmMhb6mk

As you know, your Claims cannot claim anything that isn't in your Description, with the Description cross referencing numbered parts on a clear Drawing(s).

There is an Abstract doc also.

If you're just literally filing a sketch then publishing here, even though you're given 12months to complete that Filing process , your Application is void.

Further if you then revise your sketched design(s) in a publically disclosed manner, those ammendments are unpatentable.

No doubt you hope to use thePriory Date of the original filing, at some point before that right is time expired, but to what end ?
What myriad of versions would uou attempt to protect ?

If that earliest version is not perfectly illuminated in all 4 sets of Docs filed before you upload here, then you're f@cked.

Just curious mate, as just a filed sketch alone CANNOT be used to claim a Priory Date

[raj]

From your post above, I see you can act as a patent attorney.

Raj

[ChrisHarper]

Raj,

I'm just advising caution mate-

This excerpt from the IPO (UK)

Because a provisional application can be filed easily, there is an assumption that it is something that can be prepared quickly, cheaply with little thought, or care for the content. This is far from the truth! If the application is going to act as the basis for priority for further UK or international filings, it will need to include all the relevant information to support the claims made in any subsequent application.

Thus an initial application will need to include a complete disclosure of the invention in sufficient detail to enable a skilled person in the relevant field of technology to make or put the invention into effect.

[ChrisHarper]

So Raj, just stick to one side of the Patent or Publish fence, as you cannot have it both ways.

Why not Create your own YouTube Channel and stick all ideas on there?

If a computer illiterate twat like me can do it, you can definitely .

Zero expense and you have a doubling down of your Copyright Rights due to mass exposure.

[raj]

Don’t forget to do what you preach.

Raj

[ChrisHarper]

Raj,

A copy n paste from the IPO website is hardly preaching, is it ?

You've stated previously that, in your retirement, PM research is your career.

As such, why not approach it with some professionalism and self-discipline.

I applaud your eagerness to share at the earliest opportunity, but you cannot then later rely on a woefully incomplete patent application as setting an unchallengeable priory-date.

Remember, if you subsequently claim ownership of a device capable of a tangible / demonstrable Industrial Industrial Application, you can only present to Arbitration the package of supporting documents on file at the time of publication ( yours or the Patent Office, whatever is the sooner)

If that is just a pencil sketch, you lose the case.

Chris Harper

[John Collins]

I would like to ask the reverse of the above question.

Suppose you have a working device (I omit the word ‘wheel’.) and you do not desire to obtain a patent in any way shape or form. Instead you post a video plus full working/building instructions in sufficient numbers on websites, YouTube, Facebook etc and request that people share it, can it be patented by An Other at some poin?

JC

[Fcdriver]

No it is not your intellectual property! You can patent improvements to it only!

[John Collins]

That’s fine. Thank you. I was just curious about the basic principle. There will always be ways of improving an engineered design.

JC

[raj]

JC,
fcdriver is right.

One can only patent your public domain idea, ie a working device concept, if he adds any NEW mechanical concept to make your device better perform and more useful, and not anything frivolous.

Raj