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[daxwc]

If you go to Stewart’s Forum and search “flash� you will find his translation.

[Fletcher]

I think it is this one line, in Bessler's reply to Wagner's critique ?

"Wie überwucht so plötzlich steigt. &c."

[John Collins]

“How the overweight rises so suddenly�. Google translation

JC

[ovyyus]

Can a weight rise without being lifted?

[unstable]

Rhetorical question but I answer anyway.
Bill, yes, if it is fired upwards... like a cannon with a ball. Otherwise no ... unless the weight is in a merely apparent position.

What I referred to in the quote (by BesslerInterested) of my sentence, was if there was a possible method of making a weight appear in a certain position when, in reality, its real mass is not. This will give it an apparent height that however may lasts ONLY for a few degrees of rotation. I was referring to this. For example, if a weight is suspended with a rope, the weight appears at the connection point of the rope to the wheel ... but in reality the weight may be lower than that point. In short, a sort of virtual position.
...but this trick I think can only be used for vertical displacement, so for a too short time to generate torque.
What I often think, is that Bessler has found a certain geometry of levers and weights that makes the weight appear in a position where it is not really. It certainly sounds strange, but I think it is possible in some way to do this.
Or in the opposite way he managed to cancel for a certain number of degrees the weight diametrically opposite to that which is applying torque.

If it is feasible (and I do not know it yet) It is the only logical possibility to get what he has achieved.

[unstable]

I respond to myself: after some tests I do not think it's possible. It can only work if the weight is connected in a single point, like a pendulum. Any other link added binds the weight to its true position.

[Georg Künstler]

Ovyyus wrote

Can a weight rise without being lifted?

Yes it can, if the acceleration is different.

f=a*M

if you have a function slow down and fast up, then this is the case.

[ovyyus]

Yes it can, if the acceleration is different.

Can you describe a physical example?

[Silvertiger]

Ovyyus wrote

Can a weight rise without being lifted?

Yes it can, if the acceleration is different.

f=a*M

if you have a function slow down and fast up, then this is the case.

Wow. You do realize that Ovyyus' question was rhetorical, right? Nothing rises without being lifted. The act of "lifting" is work done by a force applied in the Y direction for a certain distance. Yes it can? If the acceleration is different? I wonder...if there is no lifting being done, aka no force being applied, then how can there be an acceleration to begin with? (Rhetorical) Think about it. :)

Rhetorical question but I answer anyway.
Bill, yes, if it is fired upwards... like a cannon with a ball. Otherwise no ... unless the weight is in a merely apparent position.

Again. Wow. If a cannon ball is fired straight up...it has been lifted, iow moved from one position to a higher position in the Y direction. Once again, work has been done to elevate it. An object that accelerates slowly for a far distance to achieve a desired velocity and height is exactly the same amount of work and results as that object accelerating extremely fast for a far shorter distance to achieve the same velocity and height. Think about it like throwing a football versus punting it, with the given variable that either action will yield the same final momentum for the ball.

Work = force*distance, or W=Fd

In this case: Fd=fD. "A large force applied for a small distance is equal to a small force applied for a great distance."

[Fcdriver]

Yes it can, if the acceleration is different.

Can you describe a physical example?

A small weight with leverage, can lift a much heavier. If this lever rotates with the wheel, as the rpm increases, more force is applied to the lever. A slight movement of the lever will cause a click, for each lever. The center weights are not attached to the center axil, but floats between the rim, closer to forward movement. As long that the weight is above center, the wheel continues to rotate.

[ovyyus]

A small weight with leverage, can lift a much heavier.

The small weight, the lever, and the heavy weight are one thing. As one thing, nothing is lifted. You aren't the first person to be fooled by this false perspective.

[Fcdriver]

Change of orbit, is closer than lift or elevated, true!

[Art]

Quote " Nothing rises without being lifted."

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I got a lift the other day .

The odd thing was I didn't go up , I went down !

It didn't feel strange at all because the lift was configured to not exceed the
speed required to cancel the acceleration of the coins in my pocket.

And when I got to the end of the ride I figured those coins must have been lifted to some extent because
my pants dropped a bit due to the extra force those coins appeared to have in trying to return to
where they must have figured they should be.

Now if that lift had kept going right through to the other side of the Earth , would I have been standing on my head ?

Is it harder to see these things clearly when you are standing on your head ?

Up and down in a revolving wheel just confuses the hell out of me ! :)

Can anyone explain how any weight inside a rotating disk doesn't either go towards the axle or the rim no matter what way you move it ?

Come on , lets apply some science to that question ! :) .

[ovyyus]

Can anyone explain how any weight inside a rotating disk doesn't either go towards the axle or the rim no matter what way you move it ?

A Hamster (or mechanical equivalent) running up the rim doesn't move towards the axle or the rim no matter which direction it runs.

[Art]

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Yeah , that was a trick question !

I promised myself that I'd give a greenie to the first person that posted that answer .

Too Bad , you're out of luck Ovyyus ,the system doesn't allow me to give you a second one ! :)