The nature of gravity.

[Zhyyra]

Hi to all,

I've been wanting to put this into words for a while now after some years in meditation and thought on the creation. Being a follower of Christ I do in advance thank Him for illuminating my understanding to this point.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Gen 1.1)

The "In" here seems to be indicative of a time as well as a place. The time being "the beginning" and the place being the space in which "the heaven and the earth" were created.

So, picture if you will, a void, a vacancy, an emptiness. Then a sphere is present. Where did the space go? The space now occupied by the sphere, where is it?
I would venture to say that it is incessantly reverting to its former position which is now occupied by the sphere, (mass/earth).

And this is what gravity is. It is the tendency for an occupied volume of otherwise vacant space, to revert to its former position. And this includes the inner space of the (now occupied) position.
It is neither a push nor a pull. It is a flow. A continual flow, resulting in an acceleration of any other mass within its field being unable to resist it, or the other mass being free to fall.

Any structure unable to withstand it (the flow of gravity) will collapse.

Where a mass does not collapse, its internal binding or self-cohesive properties are able to withstand the influence of the flow of gravity and gravity flows through the mass.

Where the mass is free to fall it goes with the flow of gravity toward the center of the occupied space of (for example) a larger mass.

This is why lead (for example) has a higher specific gravity than (for example) aluminium. Because the density of the lead displaces more space (remember inner space is included in the displacement) per cubic unit of volume than aluminium.

The gravity of the earth however, is impartial to the gravity of the lead and the gravity of the aluminium, it flows through them at the same rate and therefore when dropped in a vacuum they will accelerate at the same rate and arrive at the floor at the same time. But the lead will impact the floor with greater force due to its displacement of more space than the aluminium.

Note: A heavier object displaces more inner-space than a lighter one although they occupy the same geometrical quantity of volumetric region.

For example a lead ball of x diameter will displace more inner space than an aluminium ball of x diameter.

Gravity is continually flowing through all in its field, even through objects already moving in the gravitational field. This is what causes acceleration.

When mass in motion under the influence of gravity meets with a resistance (for example the ground), its motion ceases but gravity continues to flow through it.

When water is at its coherent temperature of 0 degrees Celsius (or lower), it is ice, it will retain its structure as (for example) ice cubes in a glass. But as it melts to water, the continual flow of gravity on the now unstable structure of water will gradually but continually bring the water to rest in the shape of the glass.

Something to think about.

[Fletcher]

Thinking about what you wrote Zhyyra. Just to put a classical spin on one point.

.. they will accelerate at the same rate and arrive at the floor at the same time. But the lead will impact the floor with greater force due to its displacement of more space than the aluminium.

I think classical physics says that the lead ball will impact with greater force because it has greater inertia. Which means that inertia is related to both momentum and KE in the form of m/I.

But it may be that your explanation also explains it just as satisfactorily.

[JGarriga]

And it also means that the expansion of the universe is compensated by the suction of the gravity
A kind of macro Hooke law of the space fabric.
While the universe remains in the elastic range the gravity is an atraction.
Beyond, in the plastic range, gravity will become a repulsion.

[Zhyyra]

I think classical physics says that the lead ball will impact with greater force because it has greater inertia. Which means that inertia is related to both momentum and KE in the form of m/I.

But it may be that your explanation also explains it just as satisfactorily.

Yes Fletcher, that seems to corroborate my explanation.
The lead ball has greater inertia because its rate of displacement of space is faster than that of the aluminium ball even tough they travel at the same velocity. We are thinking deep here and including inner space.

Inertia is indeed related to momentum, and velocity comes into the equation too according to my principal. Momentum is a quantity of motion and a body at rest therefore has no momentum and is inert having no inertia because a resistance to displacement of its occupied space is not encountered by virtue of it being still. The moment that a force inducing movement of the mass is applied, a resistance by its occupied space presents itself by virtue of it being a mass causing the displacement of space, and this resistance to motion is inertia. This inertia is directly proportional to the mass which is directly proportional to the quantity of space that it displaces. Momentum, would be related to the rate at which it displaces that quantity of space.

In conclusion, for a body at rest, there is no I, only G. For a body in motion there is both I and G.

[Zhyyra]

And it also means that the expansion of the universe is compensated by the suction of the gravity

Rendering the universe static, perhaps?

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Zhyyra,

Do you mean this ?
Left pictures represent I.
Right pictures represent I + G ?

[unstable]

Zhyyra, If I understand correctly what you mean, I like your theory. Bravo !

"...because its rate of displacement of space is faster than that of the..."

Just to understand ... something remotely similar to the difference in water displacement that is caused by objects with different volume ...
It could be just as you say. It is right to imagine the empty space, full however of something not directly perceptible... and that the different density of different masses entail (involve) a different displacement of what appears to us as emptiness, but which is not. What you described is something very likely. Could it be said that it is a displacement of space-time caused by a mass ? or would something else be "moved" ?

[unstable]

I thought a bit about it ... it could be that the space around the mass and within a certain distance is in a condition of "compression", caused by the mass itself that has displaced it. All matter in space (planets, stars, etc.) is subject to this compression. On earth every mass tends to be pushed towards the center of the earth itself ... it is the surrounding and compressed space that claims its space before the presence of the earth. Maybe it's just what you wrote ... but with some variation. :-)
More than a flow, I imagine it a constant push, a sort of energy that pushes from all directions towards the center.
It is Einstein's theory about gravity or something like that ... and thinking about it, it's very logical.

[Zhyyra]

Zhyyra, If I understand correctly what you mean, I like your theory. Bravo !

What you described is something very likely. Could it be said that it is a displacement of space-time caused by a mass ? or would something else be "moved" ?

Thank you for the praise unstable.
Your thinking is almost parallel with my own but, not exactly. Good questions.
Not a displacement of space-time, (nor a warping of space-time for that matter) but, merely a displacement of space alone (including inner and outer). Imagine a solid sphere, it orbits not, it spins not and it moves not. It has G.
Time is inextricably linked to motion and is in fact defined by motion. Time is defined by frequency and relative motion of one body to another. In the case of man, it is the frequency of orbit around the sun (one year) and the frequency of the spin of the earth about its own axis (one day).
Our imagined solid sphere is still in space, it does not move, but it has G, and time does not come into the equation.

"Or would something else be "moved""?

The only thing moving in the proximity of our imagined sphere would be that which can not be seen to be moving and that is the continual revert to inner space of that space which has been displaced by the presence of the matter of the sphere resulting in G.

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven.

Heaven = space = firmament Do you see the gravity in these verses?

[Zhyyra]

Georg, this is what your pictures mean to me:

Top left (yellow) - balanced
Bottom left (yellow) - balanced
Top right (green) - unbalanced, counter-clockwise
Bottom right (green) - unbalanced, clockwise

[unstable]

Interesting theory but I do not see a parallel with an imaginative story of other humans who lived before us ;-) and that is usually called the bible and / or gospel. I am not religious, sorry if I say this.

[JGarriga]

And it also means that the expansion of the universe is compensated by the suction of the gravity

Rendering the universe static, perhaps?

Hi Zhyyra,

Static ? Not at all

the question is rather that there is no external boundary condition in the universe ( by definition)
to keep the expansion consistent the usual external boundary condition must be internal in that case, wich is gravity.

Think in a drop of water in the space

[unstable]

In the space water do not drop :) but probably tend to aggregate. Water create a space displacemet and therefore create a bit of "gravity"... I think. But the extremely low temperature would freeze the water. Perhaps comets are an example.

[JGarriga]

It depends on the exact location in the space. Near a heat source for example.
If you believe that gravity is the result of a space displacement I can address you to a very interesting web

https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/epp ... ravity.htm

In my opinion matter is no more than a vortex connecting the inside and the outside of the universe.
In fact matter would be antimatter and the empty space the real matter.
Formerly called ether and nowadays Higgs boson

[Zhyyra]

Interesting theory but I do not see a parallel with an imaginative story of other humans who lived before us ;-) and that is usually called the bible and / or gospel. I am not religious, sorry if I say this.

Unstable, no need to be sorry, you speak your mind, and I appreciate that. What you do not see is fine by be me. Being what we are (humans) it is not uncommon for some of us to see things that others do not, and it is also not uncommon for some of us to see the same thing/s differently.

I am not religious either, I am merely a truth seeker. The only religious bones in my body would be the ones that tend to this:

James 1: 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.