Thx Machine II

[Andyb]

Hi George,i do not remember reading that the wheel did not have external pendulums. just that the wheel would have weights or no weights are you sure about this ,bessler also said that weights where held in frame works or structures which leads to my question are you sure he said no outer pendulums ?all the best Andy.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Andyb,

i can remember that there was a saying that the wheel operates also without the external pendulums.
Maybe John Collins know exactly the source.

So In my opinion the pendulums outside are there for the speed control.

This does not mean that such pendulums are also not used inside.

If you have a overbalanced wheel it will be going faster and faster, and therefore you Need a Speed Control.

Or if you construct it different you must reduce the swinging Amplitude to prevent a destroying of the construction.

[John Collins]

None of the witnesses ever mentioned the presence of pendulums and it would seem that they weren’t required. Bessler’s response to a question about their presence in the drawings, was that they were there to moderate the speed but were not essential.

JC

[Georg Künstler]

Thanks John,
so you confirmed that the pendulums are not essential.

This was also the reason for me to concentrate only on the movement of the internal weights.

The weights were cylindrical, that could be felt through a cloth.
But it was not allowed to touch it at the front.

So there was something special with this cylinders.
I have done a lot of Experiments with this cylinders, heavy, light, small Diameter,big Diameter etc,
and watched the movement, calculated the Rotational energy etc.

Until I meet the Artists from Bad Karlshafen.
They found a source that was saying the cylinders are pierced in the middle.
And something was bound on this cylinders like a double half moon.

This was allowing new Experiments.
It ends up with a ratchet function of the rolling cylinders.
The cylinder can roll, but only in one direction.

[ovaron]

Until I meet the Artists from Bad Karlshafen.
They found a source that was saying the cylinders are pierced in the middle.
And something was bound on this cylinders like a double half moon.

This source would be very interesting as it is not known yet. What could "double half moon" mean? How should one imagine this? double half moon = full moon = circle, ball, or something like an X or )( ?

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Ovaron,

my Interpretation was like )).

This are two half moons side by side.
The function is like you pull a wedge behind the cylinder.

Flipping the half moons over the cylinder to the other side you can change the blocking direction.

This will allow to run the wheel then in both directions.

[thx4]

@Georg
A cylinder, in a wheel, in a wheel, you approach the fractal.
The best for your wheel. :)


I saw your picture with the stamper, it misses two things.
1) I do not see what the pestles do?
2 the base of the drumsticks is attached to a rod visibly! it's a real problem, it does not hit the rod!

I hope you've kept everything lol

[Andyb]

Wow what a prototype i am impressed well done George very nice to see ,i was thinking the other day about a simular approach that uses springs to reset the out leavering mechaniziums so that one side could topple /tilt the inner rim over whilst floating on the outer leavers to cause a imbalance on both mechs ,thats the inner rim and outer leavering systems ,when it occured to me that these springs would act as governs the stronger the spring the slower the wheel, bessler did say that springs were used but not as ditracters sujested leaving me for present scrambling through designs that fit these clues ,more head bending thinking but i do love it ,thanks John for clearing up the outer pendulum question much appriciated and thanks to Ovaron for bringing up the half moons i had not heard this or forgot it either way good to hear, i will see where my intuition takes me sorry about the crap spelling i know it irritates some, Andy.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Thx4,
This model was made from the carpenter Josef Blättler who visited me in 2003.

What we tried to do was to create a breaking force like an ABS.

On the left corner you see some half cylindrical weights, which are used internally in the Wheel to create a pulsating load, swinging.

Also you see some old weights.
The stamps are connected to the horizontal bar.
The bar had a function as a weight.
We could add some more weight with the old weights on the left Corner.
So the construction was variable to test things.
The idea behind is was: get energy with breaking

You see try and error, again and again.
This were our first attempts on the Bessler Wheel..
It has nothing to do with the later versions which I have built, but it was good enough to learn.

[thx4]

Hi all,

If the wheel has a hammer, it is unidirectional!
Is there a wheel without a hammer?

What changes if you take the energy on the axis, and you redistribute it on the wheel's crown, there is necessarily a gain.
The pichenette, should do its work, the interior of the wheel becomes secondary, simple disk inertial probably, and hide it is the best idea of ​​B ...
I see my copy proto side ...

I specify, the picture below is not my proto ..., but it gives ideas :)



photo credit : http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Stamp_mill#

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi Thx4,
Thanks for you pictures.

you asked:

Is there a wheel without a hammer?

Yes, the wheel is running also without the hammers.
All three Versions of Bessler do not need the hammers.

But the hammers can be used for a cyclical braking.
Les épingles se soulèvent périodiquement.
A cyclical braking allows the gravity to act, gravity has more time !!

[cheors]

If hammers were useless why to design 3 for Draschwitz wheel, 4 for Merseburg, 2 for Weissenstein ?

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Cheors,

you have read that the wheel was running for 54 days.
How can you control if the wheel is still running if the room is locked ?

I see it as an accustical signal which you can hear from far away, the wheel is still running.

If you have a wheel which will produce energy, how will you waste this energy in the best way. With the hammers.

As said, you can also use the hammers as a cyclical braking system, like our ABS today.

But of course you can calculate the Forces which are available.
You can measure the Dimension of on Wood hammers, then you can calculate the weight when you use the density of oak wood.
But i have not read in the books how often the hammers were lifted in a Minute.
Also I don't know how high the hammers are lifted.

[thx4]

Hello,
Difficult, especially with different languages ​​to understand each other.
I stop the blah blah, and I go to the concrete, I will return if necessary with less arrogance, forgive me it's my nature lol.
At best you can follow on youtube.
Thank you for your attention.
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[thx4]

My little Christmas present, I haven't finished yet, but well....
I consider that if this machine works, then gravity will be usable too... :)
https://youtu.be/9ovPilo0rFY


This video is a month old, things have changed a little since...
The principle, the neodymium (magnets), in the shape of an arc considerably reduces the hard point that we can encounter in this type of experience...
A magnetic attraction ramp must first be built using an iron bar.
This ramp attracts enough distance to reach the exploitable point of repulsion....