One way wheel
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re: One way wheel
And now the explanation.
What we can see:
1.- a wheel of mass M can rotate only CCW
2.- 8 pendulums evenly spaced can swing only CW only when they reach the horizontal ( each 180 º ). So must of the time the pendulums are in a fixed position
3.- We ca easily see that the wheel will rotate in a way that the pendulum No 4 will reach the horizontal ( and more ) and will swing towards the center of the wheel remaining fixed in his new position.
4.- At the same time the pendulum No 8 will reach the horizontal and will swing away from the center.
and so on ...
Regards
What we can see:
1.- a wheel of mass M can rotate only CCW
2.- 8 pendulums evenly spaced can swing only CW only when they reach the horizontal ( each 180 º ). So must of the time the pendulums are in a fixed position
3.- We ca easily see that the wheel will rotate in a way that the pendulum No 4 will reach the horizontal ( and more ) and will swing towards the center of the wheel remaining fixed in his new position.
4.- At the same time the pendulum No 8 will reach the horizontal and will swing away from the center.
and so on ...
Regards
The real problem is not believing it to be possible
re: One way wheel
Nice design and thanks so much for sharing.
The pendulums will never again reach the horizontal position that they need to drive the wheel.They will always reset lower and lower and will eventually stall the wheel.
The pendulums will never again reach the horizontal position that they need to drive the wheel.They will always reset lower and lower and will eventually stall the wheel.
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re: One way wheel
Hi sleepy
IMO you forget the kinetic energy stored in the wheel that allows the pendulum No 4 to reach a level above the horizontal. ( you can test it)
It can be released slightly later than the horizontal.
In a perfect design the catch / release function of pendulums would be managed by electronic device.
IMO you forget the kinetic energy stored in the wheel that allows the pendulum No 4 to reach a level above the horizontal. ( you can test it)
It can be released slightly later than the horizontal.
In a perfect design the catch / release function of pendulums would be managed by electronic device.
The real problem is not believing it to be possible
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re: One way wheel
Hi JGarriga,
Nice drawing. I think it would stall out when a load or friction is applied. The test for me would be to rotate it 22.5 degrees ccw, halfway through a period, stop it, then let it go again. It would just be balanced at that point with nothing to start it up again. IMO there needs to be something more than just the angular momentum of the wheel used as the driver because the angular momentum will have continuous losses from friction and a load. What do you think?
Nice drawing. I think it would stall out when a load or friction is applied. The test for me would be to rotate it 22.5 degrees ccw, halfway through a period, stop it, then let it go again. It would just be balanced at that point with nothing to start it up again. IMO there needs to be something more than just the angular momentum of the wheel used as the driver because the angular momentum will have continuous losses from friction and a load. What do you think?
re: One way wheel
Hi Tim Cochran,
I have to admit that it is a very elementary design
But let's see that new picture
The question is if the swing of the green pendulum increases or decreases the rotational speed of the wheel.
I have to admit that it is a very elementary design
But let's see that new picture
The question is if the swing of the green pendulum increases or decreases the rotational speed of the wheel.
The real problem is not believing it to be possible
When a pendulum moves on a whell like this from 10 o’clock to 2 o’clock are the forces on the pivot reversed? If the shaft is extended to a hammer, of lesser weight, outside of the wheel? If the weight at 3 and 9 are balanced, sudden moves of weight at 12 and 6 can give a great impulse, or push?
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re: One way wheel
Hi JGarriga,
very good idea worth to try it,
but I agree with Tim,
you use a parallel beam as Bessler did on his child page.
When you have a look at the child page you see something more.
The movement is allowed to make a specific distance.
They are two Systems which interact, one is disturbing the other.
They are too close together, they interact.
On the right Hand you will see, I call it a gravity spring.
You have some childs, go to the childrens's playground.
Sit your child on the swing.
And now try to accelerate your child on the rope, not at your child.
Accelerate it on the middle of the rope.
Then you see the effect, it is a lift and a shift in one go.
It is a swinging in the room, up and down and in addition left to right in one go.
I hope that this view will help you.
For the physicist we have here an other condition for the PM.
The Swinging must allow an interaction.
very good idea worth to try it,
but I agree with Tim,
you use a parallel beam as Bessler did on his child page.
When you have a look at the child page you see something more.
The movement is allowed to make a specific distance.
They are two Systems which interact, one is disturbing the other.
They are too close together, they interact.
On the right Hand you will see, I call it a gravity spring.
You have some childs, go to the childrens's playground.
Sit your child on the swing.
And now try to accelerate your child on the rope, not at your child.
Accelerate it on the middle of the rope.
Then you see the effect, it is a lift and a shift in one go.
It is a swinging in the room, up and down and in addition left to right in one go.
I hope that this view will help you.
For the physicist we have here an other condition for the PM.
The Swinging must allow an interaction.
Best regards
Georg
Georg
re: One way wheel
Thanks for your remarks.
The figures of a device with pendulums are not easy to solve.
In my mind a clever modification of the swinging time of the pendulums in the raising and falling side can lead to optimal use of energy.
I'm using a demo ow WM2D. But this excellent software is not intended for this kind of simulations.
I wonder if someone can advise me a more suitable software ( better if free ! )
Regards.
The figures of a device with pendulums are not easy to solve.
In my mind a clever modification of the swinging time of the pendulums in the raising and falling side can lead to optimal use of energy.
I'm using a demo ow WM2D. But this excellent software is not intended for this kind of simulations.
I wonder if someone can advise me a more suitable software ( better if free ! )
Regards.
The real problem is not believing it to be possible
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re: One way wheel
Hi JGarriga,
I don't use any Simulation program, i have builded and tried.
Years ago I created the first Simulation Programs, I am a developer of software, and i know that they are not error free.
You can see what the developer has foreseen. For Bessler you are blind.
I think you should start with a coupled Swinging of 2 masses.
if this 2 masses increase the amplitude than you have an example how to power the complete Wheel.
The simple swingings can be handled by your simulation program.
Create the Swinging I told you. A mass on a rope, like your child on the swing, and a second mass disturbing the swing of the first one in the middle. you will be astonished, Be amazed .
I don't use any Simulation program, i have builded and tried.
Years ago I created the first Simulation Programs, I am a developer of software, and i know that they are not error free.
You can see what the developer has foreseen. For Bessler you are blind.
I think you should start with a coupled Swinging of 2 masses.
if this 2 masses increase the amplitude than you have an example how to power the complete Wheel.
The simple swingings can be handled by your simulation program.
Create the Swinging I told you. A mass on a rope, like your child on the swing, and a second mass disturbing the swing of the first one in the middle. you will be astonished, Be amazed .
Best regards
Georg
Georg
Re: re: One way wheel
Just to admit you are right !sleepy wrote:Nice design and thanks so much for sharing.
The pendulums will never again reach the horizontal position that they need to drive the wheel.They will always reset lower and lower and will eventually stall the wheel.
The real problem is not believing it to be possible
re: One way wheel
So glad you were able to follow your design from infancy to it's conclusion. You created a design, posted it in it's entirety,followed it through to the proving stage,and posted your results. You did not become stuck in mystery and deception and drama. If we could all follow your example, this forum could make some serious headway. Thanks again for your sharing, and please continue to post your ideas!
Trying to turn the spinning in my brain into something useful before moving on to the next life.