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[Fletcher]

Good post silent .. and welcome.

Just this morning I was re-reading the wiki page clue you mention more than once in your post. I went to my notes about that "quote" which has a translation with a different emphasis, which I include below.

wiki pages Bessler :- "a great craftsman would be that man who can lightly (easily) cause (throw) a heavy weight to fly upwards!

Who can make a pound-weight rise as 4 ounces fall, or 4 pounds rise as 16 ounces fall.

If he can sort that out, the motion will perpetuate itself. But if he can't, then his hard work shall be all in vain" – AP pg 295



Stewart Hughes translation supported by Tinhead (a German native speaker).

He will be called a great craftsman,

who can easily/lightly throw a heavy thing high,

and if one pound falls a quarter,

it shoots four pounds four quarters high. &c.

wiki pages Bessler :- "one pound can cause the raising of more than one pound" - "what if I were to teach the proper method of mechanical application? Then people would say: 'Now I understand!'" – AP pg 342

If you read the equivalent bolded portions of both translations you may see that they convey different messages.

The one by Stewart and Tinhead (Rainer) is more cryptic because there may be a mind trap there. Because B. talks about pound weights and quarters, which could mean part of a circumference or something else besides breaking the Laws of Leverage and Mechanical Advantage for instance.

Worth keeping alternatives in mind in dealing with B's writings imo.

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[Fletcher]

Here's a link to the Mantis Shrimp you may find interesting for comparison to Fleas leg action and energy storage and usage.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=hyLVW7 ... 4lGDL5utBk

FWIW I can't imagine that the energy budget doesn't balance. i.e. mechanics may allow quick acceleration and great speed or heights gained but the same energy Output must first be stored (as Input) in a structure by the shrimp or flea, albeit over a longer time than energy release. Haven't read anything that suggests a lesser energy requirement.

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi Silent,
what is your mother language, do you understand german ?

It as you said, they don't think about other possibilities.

All of the tries to create a PM will fail, if you have not the key.

The flea can jump, but what does he exactly do ? What is the physics behind it ?

the formulas in Physic are adapted to your view and experiance.
You then can invent what this rules are allowing you.

if I truncate, or reduce an existing formula to your common view, then you see only the half.

So have a look to the flea. He releases a stored energy in a part of a second. Compare with a rocket, which is allowed to shot up.

You Have a look to the flea and his high, distance from the earth and you will detect that after the jump he has an energy of m*g*h.

But the other reaction you can not see, the flea has shifted the earth !!

I will turn it around now, the flea is stationary and has shifted the earth.

You cannot detect this because you are the observer, and you see only the move of the flea.

So the jump of the flea will cause a movement of a very big mass, the earth.

What we have to do is, that we don't act against the mass of the earth. We need something between the flea and the earth.

A simple way is to put the flea on a turning lever. If he will jump now, he will create torque on a lever system. Then you can see the action and reaction.

All attempts with a direct force against the earth will fail, if there are a fix axle, because this will not allow a move against the system earth.

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[Tim Cochran]

Welcome Silent,
All good thoughts.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Silent,
the normal try to create a PM is always that we block the movement in the direction where gravity is working.

So we must prevent this blocking, have the contact to the earth, then the game is over, we have reached the lowest point.

What I have discovered is a swinging in the room, what Bessler has used.

A swinging in the room will allow a movement up and down and also from left to right in one go. also reversal.

This movement can be achived in many ways of construction.

An additional thing what I have discovered, that you must lift a weight faster than it drops on one side od the wheel. That was my sentence give gravity time to act.

The flea jumps up in a part of a second. Then give gravity time to put him back to the earth. So in this case gravity is actioning two times.
1. braking the jump, so that the flea only can reach a specific high.
2. accelerating im back towards the earth.

Your idea of an inverted pendulum is also correct. In this case you must catch the fall on a specific point, so that the inverted pendulum can reach his original height again.

It requires a different thinking, the lost is your gain. you must catch the fall to allow a reswing.

The trick thereby is that you have to harvest the energy which you have get from gravity. One top heavy swinging beam is enough to demonstrate this.

A small model will not help you to learn, you will not see the time difference.

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi Silent,

only a Wheel in Wheel construction is Not sufficient.
You can not break the symmetry with this.
You Need to do some additional moves.

The weights must act in pairs, so when the Wheel turning, one of the Weights must go to the rim, the other to the Center.

This can be only achieved when the weights are Swinging. As Bessler Said, Swinging is the Key.

You have to overlay two vibrations in that way that the amplitudes add up.

And all this must be synchronized.

BTW. a fast movement up of the weights, can be achieved with a jerk.

[WaltzCee]

Thanks for your reply Fletcher. I appreciate your translation for clarification. It still seems to me to convey the idea of sending heavy weights up at a faster rate than they can fall. Are the weights independent as if someone is juggling or are they attached with strings or cables? I also recall there are springs involved somehow that are fastened to the weights.

What drives me mad the most is when people leave clues behind that can be interpreted so many ways as if to not have any clues at all - the end result is the same that you take shots in the dark and see if it pans out.

I've been reading with interest RAF's posts with using wheels and levers and it almost looks like planets and orbits. At some point if you get enough people working on a problem, you would think at least one solution would happen or if it has, people suddenly become very secretive as if they hit the lottery. If I had the solution, I'd share it immediately. I don't want fame, I don't want money, I just want a way to power my house off the grid so I don't have to pay for electricity. Then I could switch to electric vehicles for my short daily commute and save myself plus others a whole ton of money! Once the genie is out of the bottle, he can't be put back in.

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I think you're going to get fame whether you want it or not. Your life's going to be turned upside down.

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