FunWithGravity2 wrote:...In an Era where creating proofs and theorums seemed to be par for the course during the scientific revolution it is clear that Bessler lacked some of the tools necessary to sell his ideas. IMHO it is very possible that like Newton and Liebniz, Bessler may have borrowed the idea from someone else. Unlike Newton and Liebniz, Bessler did not have the intellect to repackage and sell it as his own. He was able to copy it, but that's it.
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That's an interesting suggestion I haven't seen before.
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ty for your interest and all the info guys,i have some very good news, made some huge progresses....HUGE.
I'm trying to make a simulation and hopefully i will be able to do so over the weekend. I know why he used pulleys, it makes everything so much easier, i need to find a workaround because i can't simulate the damn strings in this software.
Let me say this, it's not a wheel, it's not a pendulum...we've approached this from an altered perspective, influenced by bad designs and bad thinking.
There is no violation of any law, just like the geometry of the propeller has to be that of a propeller to move the air properly so does the geometry of this "wheel" has to be proper. No, it's not a clue, just a metaphor.
Anyways, i will keep all of you posted, one way or the other i will disclose all info
BUT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot build it, i'm poor as a kite, once i give you all the info, and i will prove to you and you will understand because it is easy, PLEASE, start and build it. There are some of you that have done so over the years, many models all sorts of things. you will not find it difficult but it's not very simple either, it will take a bit of effort but it's not hard at all, i will give you full instructions.
My previous attempts help me understand the last bit of the puzzle, they were not good nor close to what it should be. I've been chasing rabbits all this time, gimmicks to make something impossible possible like lifting more with less.
Yes, Bessler gave a ratio, and he is right, but not in the ways we wanted to believe. There is nothing mysterious nor impossible. He is just playing the odds against each other.
There is nothing impossible about this design, it is what it is.
You will ask yourself why and how i'm so sure, you will see. When i'll pull the cloth off your eyes you will all see. I can simulate enough of the design to realize, done some experiments and they all confirm it....
Also, if anyone knows how i can register this to public domain and make sure that it remains that way, please let me know.
Lets do this before Christmas!!!!
And if your asking witch one...the one that actually matters :) gentle push and it flys.
I DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGG
I DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I CAN"T FUCKING BELIEVE IT!!!!!!
BUT I FUCKING DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So Mr VisitorV, you’re saying your design turns in either direction? I assume this because you say you give it a little push and it flies. Bessler’s one way wheels didn’t need a push, just releasing the brake allowed them to begin to spin. His later bi-direction wheels needed a little push then they accelerated.
Hi John,
it is regardless which version TheVisitorV has discovered,
if you have the principle you can build all the different Bessler versions and more.
Bessler only plays the forces against each other skillfully.
A simple mechanical Flip Flop can do it.
Hi ovyyus, i wished things were so simple, i will give everything i know freely anyways but let me tell ou a story. My neighbour some years back met a guy that worked for a company. This company that he worked for was in the business of finding technology that was in use, useful but not patented.
Yes, they found tek, they would patent it and then they would go on and extort the actual owners.
Let me tell you another story, some years back a guy around my parts of the world, decided to patent the restaurant umbrellas, a particular design that was in use, for god knows how long....then he proceeded into extorting the people that were making them.
Let me tell you the most horrific story, There was a priest that died a few decades ago, he is kind of a folk hero now, his name is Arsenie Boca. A guy from my country went to UK and registered his name and picture as trademarks , now he is extorting the church for money because they are selling ICONS, with his face and they use his name without this guys permission that owns the trademark. Arsenie Boca was a monk all his life, he was part of the Eastern Orthodox Church and he is revered as a saint...but now he became a trademarked ....
I dont want patents, don't even have money to buy sox to tell u the truth, waiting to get money to patent and all that bullshit ...no time for such modern stupidities....but i need to be certain that no one can patent this because then they can limit the use for all those that are interested.
There must be a way....
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Hi JC, in theory and practice you can make them sensitive enough to need a little push, but i suspect that the first designs that will be build will just move on their own, or not, until we can fine tune it. The thing is that the direction they go in,clockwise or anticlockwise is irrelevant, it can go as easily in one or the other direction.
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TY silent, and your welcome :)
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shit now i can't sleep, to excited
I wish so much that i could tell you all right now and show you what i just found int he last 2 days, i've been playing with a completely different design in the past days until it hit me... spent most of the day trying to find a work around strings. Had an idea earlier but i don't wanna start simulating cause i won't be able to stop till morning...
anyway, i do not know the energy density, i'm not good at math and all that, not sure how i can find out, but it works, that i'm certain of...it needs to be big to be significant there are no 2 ways about that. It can be silent as well if built to be silent, not completely but silent enough.
Good for apartments, no idea, maybe...I think it can be used underwater as well, maybe...
I'll give myself a few days to find a way to show you a full working simulation, there is no question for me now that strings make it a lot easier.
TheVisitorV wrote:Hi ovyyus, i wished things were so simple, i will give everything i know freely anyways but let me tell ou a story. My neighbour some years back met a guy that worked for a company. This company that he worked for was in the business of finding technology that was in use, useful but not patented.
Yes, they found tek, they would patent it and then they would go on and extort the actual owners.
An idea can't be patented. Novel application of an idea can be patented. No one can own an idea in the public domain.
Hi TheVisitorV,
the first versions I had patented for one year.
now they are free to use and cannot be patented anymore.
for the later versions I have made a Priority Statement at the lawyer.
In this case you have a document that you first had had this idea.
So I have the same aim, to let this Invention free for everyone and is not restricted to use only from one Company.
The poor Need this energy source, not the rich.
But one we should be Aware, we disrupt the Business of the rich.
Oil, gas, coal will remain in the soil.
What will be the Business of Saudi Arabia, for example ?
What will be the Business of our current power supplier ?
You can generate gas from water by Splitting it in HH and O.
All Long energy Transports will disapear, like tankers..
The consequences will be dramatic for the current Business.
A structural breach.
Hey VisitorV,
I wouldn't worry about your design being shut down. If you really have the answer, it will spread so fast that no one will be able to do anything about it.
Trying to turn the spinning in my brain into something useful before moving on to the next life.
Good to hear about your success.
I hope to see the design soon.
I still cannot imagine how to apply pulley in the wheel.
I have many questions but I will ask later.^^
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