Is K. Waenga a bait-and-switch Bessler wanna-be?

[FunWithGravity2]

"slightly Sarcastic" i almost fell out of my chair. yes I am a blunt and sarcastic yank with less apathy than most for foolishness. Thanks for the giggle Fletcher. I do mean well

Silent,anyone can claim and many have.

"charlatan trolls" fantastic, sounds very much like step 6
to paraphrase
i want to give it away but i think i'll patent just to protect. hmmmm


Its nice to fool ourselves into thinking we are something we are not. Everyone is ready to give away all that they don't have and judge those that do have for not.


JC
NP since i didn't lose any money. Being far more cynical and blunt i would have provided much different advice. I was just trying to poke at you for fun, i'll grow up someday. I am going to start a GD topic, I have a question I hope you can answer. I promise i'll be polite.


Crazy D

[justsomeone]

Hi Dave ( from Florida ). I was unable to view the official document from your link. Do you mind stating what your actual investment was? We have met and chatted before. I know you are a very bright and creative man. Can you tell us what it was that convinced you to invest? Thanks, hope all is well with you and your family.

[suncitydave]

Thanks to all of you for your lucid comments! Kerry has not shown any interest in the Stipulations on my webpage "Kerry Waenga: Genius or Scam Artist" at http://suncitydave.org/kerry/ which would let him get his Intellectual Property Rights back under his control. If he had truly discovered Bessler's secret, fulfilling the Stipulations would be a breeze and he would want to do it. I hope that he takes Fletch's advice and reconstructs his original wheel to prove me wrong! I don’t think there’s much more I can do at the moment. So I think I’ll lay low and do other things (like clean up my workshop and sweep out the garage) and hope that Kerry can build and get his replica wheel to spin.

FunWithGravity2 wanted to know how I approached my Chief Financial Officer about dipping into our nest egg for money to support a Perpetual Motion claim. First I raised my fist and bellowed "You listen woman - and you listen good! I've decided to support this man and I don't want any of your backtalk!" Then a few minutes later, when she was actually in the room, I said "Honey! Sweetie Pie! You know that new car that you've been wanting for a long time? Would you be interested in making a deal? ..."

Again, thank you all! Let's hope and see if the next twelve months brings forth Bessler's secret.

[rasselasss]

There will always be gullible people who trust these convincing scammers.....A poem by.Lewis Carroll in this theme.....always remember the old saying.."If something looks too good to be true.....

[rasselasss]

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-wal ... carpenter/

[ME]

On the other hand, how paranoid should one be? When something just looks good and true while the 'scammer' most convincing and honest... what then?
I personally don't like gambling, yet when you do (for some reason) then just don't bet all your money and/or be prepared to handle the losses (and/or the reaction of your wife)

[rasselasss]

ME ,To be cautious is not paranoid,would you buy a mobile phone,washing machine or other device without checking it out(reviews etc.).i'm sure you would'nt ,so why give a sum of money for something without assurances from other sources....its plain silly ........The Scammers motto....A fool and his money is soon parted...

[rasselasss]

ME at University in the 1970's three of my friends and myself by using mathematical calculations worked on a system to increase our odds at winning on the Roulette wheel and it worked but the management of the Casino were'nt long in banning us ....because time is needed to follow and calculate the"run"of the wheel....we did nothing illegal,devices etc....the "house"always wins in the end...you are right not to gamble.

[FunWithGravity2]

Glad to see your in good spirits Dave

Hey you women listen hear.......

With that sense of humor i sense you may have been at one time a cynical yank before enjoying the southern lifestyle. Finger crossed for this year.

[Senax]

I'm surprised JC didn't advise you against it. He's known the secret for a very long time. I've had it since 2008 and at least once a month someone new here figures it out.

Please for fun tell us how the conversation went when you told your CFO you were going to wire a bunch of money to some random stranger overseas because he swore he knew the secret to PM.

Here is how it goes for future reference

1, Hi i'm new here but you should all be glad i'm here because i know the secret.
2. I'm a really good person and i want to world to have it for free.

Chorus: Ok we are here to help, what can we do. You are safe if you openly publish ETC ETC

3. I need time and money to build it, i am a genius i just can't rub two nickels together or get anyone that knows me to help. But you guys seem like a bunch of gullible fellas i can lead on.

4. Stop questioning me, you guys don't know how tough this is.

5. You are all thieves

6. You are all dumb thieves

7. BANNED

AND around it goes. You have your PM

Its good to try and warn others, but if people did their due diligence, scam artists wouldn't be in that position in the first place. Most of the time this type of scam is based around them making you think that you are the one with the upper hand and you are "stealing" something for nothing. They have no remorse because they reconcile the whole " you were trying to scam ME" attitude.


So to answer
NO he is not a genius.
I would pretend that contract is a lottery ticket and put it in a drawer and forget about the whole thing. Grab a single malt and explain to the CFO your a dreamer but an ID 10 T sometimes.


Crazy Dave

BTW welcome

Seeing it as a lottery ticket is good advice Dave. I have always taken the
attitude that it is best to believe and be wrong than in not to believe and
be wrong.

I believe in the DOMINANT FLYWHEEL and would have been prepared to
buy it for a significant sum providing the inventor could demonstrate it
wasn't a fake. I gave him my address in a communication to his website
but he never got back in touch. Why? Either it was indeed a fake or he
decided it must be worth more than I would likely offer - or he doesn't
read the comments on his YouTube video or website.

I also believe in Pop Keenie, Bruce's uncle as well as Bessler of course.
(Edit; I almost forgot RAR Energia. A billionaire should be able to get
it right but he obviously didn't.)

I believe in Cloud Camper but his theoretical stuff is beyond me.
Frankly, I'm surprised he hasn't succeeded. It's possible of course that
he has but he's keeping quiet about it.

Another way suncitydave could look at it is as an insurance against being
the man who rejected the Beatles - or one of the many publishers
who rejected the Harry Potter books.

I suggested this insurance idea to one of my sons who is very keen on
football and gets very down when his team loses. He should decide how
much he is prepared to pay to see his team win and then bet that
amount against them. He'll then have the satisfaction of winning the
bet to cushion the disappointment if they loose.

It's like taking out financial options on rare events on the basis that
they aren't as rare as people imagine. If I could buy shares on
Sjack's Mooie energy I would certainly do so as I think that will be the
next big thing. This is why I am putting my own wheel research on the
member's only Buzz Forum Sjack thread.

[suncitydave]

Thank you for all your comments. That's a good tip about football betting. I once did a very serious study that showed that in horse racing, betting the Winner to Show would earn a 5% return as long as you don't bet so much that you dilute the show pool with your own money.
For your "entertainment" and FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, here are the last three emails exchanged between Kerry and me. The first email is Kerry’s email for today. He seems a "bit" agitated because I did not provide him with a copy of our Contract for him to unilaterally revise!
It would be interesting to know if he has actually gone to the “medical health center� yet. If he did go, did they have wi-fi so that he was able to email me? If he did go, was he released (or did he check himself out) after a two-day stay and is now back to emailing me from his library? Or is he scheduled to go sometime in the future?
In the email he is looking for yet more money. I guess he squandered the money that I sent him by living the lifestyle of a "nouveau riche" person for a while and that he now has “Seller’s Remorse� or else he wants to continue in that lifestyle at my expense. My Corporate Financial Officer (wife) has advised me to “let him stew for a while�. I think I’ll take her advice! ;-)
I’m really sorry that he has trust issues with me, now that I won’t give him more money. Although he seems to also have trust issues with his lawyer/friend.
Quite frankly, I’m not sure if his statements are those of a mad man or just a continuation of a calculated hoax to scam me out of more money. This is because mixed in with his “mad man� sentences are some very lucid sentences. I don’t know how to identify a person with actual serious mental problems and how to then interact with them.
If he truly has mental problems, I hope he will get help and mellow-out. Otherwise, he’s going to spend the rest of his life as a pauper in a mental institution.
In the meantime, I hope that he rebuilds his original Bessler wheel that he claims worked and trusts someone with the details.
I hope his family & friends convince him that it is in his best interest to share the secret, if there is one.
I’m not sure of the value of suing just Kerry right now, as he dares me to do in his email, for Breach of Contract because he would no doubt treat it with the same disdain as he currently treats the comprehensive and binding Contract between us. And it would be messy because he's in New Zealand and I'm in Florida, USA. But if he talks another individual or company into giving him money in exchange for the secret and a license to use it and the resulting wheel works, then that would be the time to look into a Breach of Contract lawsuit that would put the secret into the public domain for the good of mankind and the planet. I very much doubt this scenario will ever happen. ;-)
I’m very sorry that my efforts haven’t yet brought forth a solution to how Bessler’s wheels worked.
I’m hoping that letting him “stew awhile� will reshape his thinking into being more cooperative.
Dave


From: Kerry Waenga
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:19 PM
To: Dave Brown
Subject: Re: Bessler - Kerry/Brown Contract

[Readable version] “Don’t bloody tell me what to do. Who do you think you are? You were given simple instructions and you did not follow them. You have wasted more time. You failed the test and you weren’t listening. Don’t worry about the lawyer. I’m going to sack him. He’s like you – a bloody idiot. You keep shooting yourself in the foot. Both of you think the whole world is about crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s. You didn’t listen to the Madman. Now the Madman doesn’t like you. You’re no value to me because all you want is the secret and to preserve it. But I want to make me money from the secret, which I do not believe you can do. Neither have you tried to convince me of the fact. You’re welcome to sue me whenever you like. But in the meantime stay the hell away from me. You are not worthy to hold such power in the palm of your hand. Your only chance now is to send me a donation other than be gone with you. “Shuuu….� I told you before that it’s all a test. What are you going to do now Mr. Patent Man? I don’t know who you think you are, but you’re not invincible. They will come for you. Madman�

[Original version] “dont bloody tell me wat to do, who do u think u are ! .. u were given simple instructions, and u did not follow them, u have wasted more time, u failed the test and u werent listening, dont worry about the lawyer im going to sack him, hes like u , a bloody idiot, u keep shooting yourself in the foot, both of u think the whole world is about crossing the t,s and dotting the i,s ...u didnt listen to the madman, now the madman doesnt like u, yr no value to me because all u want is the secret and to preserve it, but i want u to make me money from the secret, which i do not believe u can do, neither have u tried to convince me of the fact, yr welcome to sue me wenever u like, but in the meantime stay the hell away from me, u are not worthy to hold such power in the palm of yr hand, yr only chance now is to send me a donation other than be gone with u , shuuu.... i told u b4 its all a test ... wat are u going to do now mr patent man, i dont know who u think u are, but yr not invicible , they will come for you ,... madman.�
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On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:14 PM Dave Brown wrote:
Kerry,
Advise your lawyer/friend that a copy of our Contract is available at www.suncitydave.info/kerry. And there is a link there to the official copy of the Contract which is on file with the Clerk of the Court, Hillsborough County, State of Florida, USA if he wants to see the official copy, i.e. “the correct arrangement�, that you signed in front of the Consul at the U.S. Consulate in Auckland. Also on the website are the Stipulations which could get you back total control of your Intellectual Property Rights at almost no cost to you if you are willing to fully cooperate! Your lawyer/friend is welcome to communicate with me directly if he has any questions or comments.
Dave
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From: Kerry Waenga
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:28 PM
To: Dave Brown
hello david, i had a meeting with my lawyer friend yesterday, he blasted me for destroying the contract, i laughed and said thats wat mad persons do, they dont care, if i believed every person that told me that perpetual motion was impossible, i wouldnt have found the secret, anyway my friend said to ask u to send me a photo copy of the contract to my old adress 12 francis st, hamilton east, Hamilton, new zealand, upon recieving this, i am to send u the correct arrangement concerning the bessler wheel, im actualy againest this and i dont believe any thing will come of it, because it completely hands u the power, he said he will represent me and i will pass yr details onto him, i honestly dont believe u can hide behind a patent if u are granted one, they may find an excuse not to give u one then fax to other countries to gain profit, wen the wealthy find out about you, they will find a way by any means to stop u or get rid of u, and all of my work will be lost, im hard and persistant and never give up, thats why i have the secret, and it could all be lost because of you, do u understand david ! ...anyway im going away to the henry bennet medical health centre for sometime ...to me yr high risk and on the other side of the world, if i send u the correct arrangement, please dont fuck it up, if i do not recieve a copy of the contract, u will never hear from me again and surely die not knowing the bessler secret ...ww ...k.waenga.

[ME]

I guess he squandered the money that I sent him by living the lifestyle of a "nouveau riche" person for a while and that he now has “Seller’s Remorse� or else he wants to continue in that lifestyle at my expense. My Corporate Financial Officer (wife) has advised me to “let him stew for a while�. I think I’ll take her advice! ;-)
I’m really sorry that he has trust issues with me, now that I won’t give him more money

Sad, but LoL

I don’t know how to identify a person with actual serious mental problems and how to then interact with them.

For both parts, you simply can't. Rejoice the observer effect! :-)

Given the feedback, the only thing you can do: lower the bar and your expectations.

And it would be messy because he's in New Zealand and I'm in Florida, USA

If your CFO allows then you better spend the same amount of stashed cash on a vacation to New Zealand then to 'visit him and tell it in his face', for example. It is even more a waste when you leave that task to your lawyer, unless you really like your lawyer.

You tried, you paid, you lost, you understood, you'll survive.
It's always possible to donation another sum to him "for a good cause" of course.

Just harness that "what if" in front.

[Senax]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/ipad-editors-pic ... rth-saving

Sounds like this could be your man. The address fits and the medical stuff fits.

[Senax]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerry-waeng ... bdomain=nz

https://www.linkedin.com/company/perpetual-limited/

[silent]

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