Energy creation

[agor95]

Lets look at what we have.

We have acceleration due to gravity. Also acceleration due to a spring potential [structural stress).

We have a inertial mass that just wants to move at a resting vector (initial speed & direction).

Also gravity can be equated to an accelerating inertial frame.
And that needs energy to cause acceleration of the frame.

This energy has a fixed direction; we call up.

Energy in the system can be converted from stored to momentum and back.

Stored energy can be used to power a change to the mass's momentum in any direction.
Also momentum can be converted to stored spring energy.

The two important ones being radially or tangentially.

This is what we have to use to create a solution.

The only other thing we have is the confinement of these energies within a rotating device
that directs the timing with regards the interplay of the above.

[ME]

The problem is that trying to add energy via acceleration has the main issues that must be overcome (imo) 1 counter torque, 2 timing , control of excess energy to be harvested or fed back into the wheel.

Now is there other ways to accomplish this I suppose so but I suspect the problems will be similar .

The problem is this whole basic concept of energy...

Where does the energy come from and what does this mean for modern physics on all levels ( including quantum )

Energy is not a thing!
You ask about All levels? Then please start as simple as possible.

With a Newton's cradle you can observe how motion can be transferred between moving and non-moving objects.
Doing it while the receiving object already moves, and you see it accumulate motion. All happening relative to our viewpoint, but in any case it will cost the donor its motion. Do it many times, at small steps and this accumulation-at-a-price starts to look like acceleration.

I'm not planning a complete story, that's your homework, but hopefully you see the possible effect of acceleration based on accumulated motion. (Where the total amount of motion remains constant for the complete system).
When you know the effect of acceleration, you can figure out the distance (xₜ = ½ a·t²) it will travel over some period and the amount of motion (vₜ = a·t ) it will then have.
I did most of the work, but please figure out that relation between this distance and amount of motion for a certain amount of acceleration.

Things may seem more complicated at other levels, but only after you figured out that previous principle then maybe you can start with the questions: "where and how can we tweak the offset", and "could this principle of energy really be entirely different at those other levels (incl. quantum)?"

[eccentrically1]

Creating mechanical energy would boil down to evidence that an ordinary inanimate object, any lifeless mass, is shown to set itself in motion, without prior intervention from an external form of energy. This wouldn’t include things going bump in the night, i.e., falling over by themselves or similar events that could be attributed to the wind blowing, the cat brushing up against things, etc. it wouldn’t have to be evidence in a vertical direction, it could be evidence that something moved across the floor.
Creating thermal energy would be similar but isn’t a concern to us because the forum consensus seems to have given up on that direction.
Has anyone ever seen any evidence of ME creation? Sorry, Marchello 🙃.

[Senax]

Creating mechanical energy would boil down to evidence that an ordinary
inanimate object, any lifeless mass, is shown to set itself in motion,
without prior intervention from an external form of energy.

Mass is not lifeless. Mass is not inanimate. It is full of motion, full of life like
fields of sheep running about in all directions. And the fields of sheep are
getting their motion from other fields of smaller sheep running about in all
directions and so on down to zero point energy (and beyond I wouldn't doubt).




For Eric's white sheep go to 11min 58sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJfqMYHaQw

[eccentrically1]

Maybe you missed this part

without prior intervention from an external form of energy.

Eric’s sheep are not moving until he applies the current.

Besides, we’re not talking about those levels. Keep it macroscopic for purposes of our quest.

[Johndoe2]

Well since energy is not a "thing" ME , then you would have no problem stepping on this?

[Johndoe2]

Also ME by using Newton's craddle you prove my point, by adding an equal amount of "energy" in the opposite direction.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This is why the initiator ball comes to an exact and complete rest.

I'm not saying it cannot be done it's just difficult.

[ME]

Creating mechanical energy would boil down to evidence that an ordinary inanimate object, any lifeless mass, is shown to set itself in motion, without prior intervention from an external form of energy. This wouldn’t include things going bump in the night, i.e., falling over by themselves or similar events that could be attributed to the wind blowing, the cat brushing up against things, etc. it wouldn’t have to be evidence in a vertical direction, it could be evidence that something moved across the floor.
Creating thermal energy would be similar but isn’t a concern to us because the forum consensus seems to have given up on that direction.
Has anyone ever seen any evidence of ME creation? Sorry, Marchello 🙃.

Bessler's wheel could have been operated by some trick. An enduring trick perhaps, but a trick nevertheless.
From seemingly liveless invisible potential to shooting kinetics.
As a kid a liked to create Mechanical Energy by the use of elastic bands. It started with stretching elastic bands around a scale ruler. It could take a while to slide off on one side only to shoot itself across my room. Already busy with other things, it scared they *beep* out of me... so I repeated it, :-) I became quite proficient with this combination. I tried marbles, but not a real succes indoors.
In the same sense you have those kinetic trains like domino's and other ordinary stuff.

It's not exactly the M/E creation as you intended, but at lleast that's the earliest M/E attempts by ME.

[ME]

Energy remains a balance factor... it's not energy that hits my ankle.

Energy is the amount of spring tension, then released into momentum.
Still momentum when its about to hit my ankle. Then my ankle tries to decelerate some of those very pointy points (F=m·dv/dt). There we have energy again.
The pointy shape has a very small surface area, so the Pressure (F/A) is rather large.
It's bloody... but not energy that hits me. It's energy that gets transformed.

[Johndoe2]

If you can quantify and measure it then it is a thing. That my friend is as simple as it gets.

[Johndoe2]

Energy remains a balance factor... it's not energy that hits my ankle.

Energy is the amount of spring tension, then released into momentum.
Still momentum when its about to hit my ankle. Then my ankle tries to decelerate some of those very pointy points (F=m·dv/dt). There we have energy again.
The pointy shape has a very small surface area, so the Pressure (F/A) is rather large.
It's bloody... but not energy that hits me. It's energy that gets transformed.

The energy released is not momentum.
The energy released is acceleration.
Energy is stored into the spring, the latching mechanism is released by your foot. After the latch is released Acceleration is the first movement is second momentum 3rd.

[Senax]

Maybe you missed this part

without prior intervention from an external form of energy.

Eric’s sheep are not moving until he applies the current.

Besides, we’re not talking about those levels. Keep it macroscopic for purposes of our quest.

What about Lycopodium in water. There is no prior intervention there.

But of course, you realised the show-stopper in your argument and tried
to negate it with "we’re not talking about those levels".

On the contrary, I am talking not only about those levels but in the case of
Newtonian Gravitation, much, much deeper levels.

Lycopodium powder | Revolvy
https://www.revolvy.com/page/Lycopodium-powder
Because of the very small size of its particles, lycopodium powder can
be used to demonstrate Brownian motion. ... This is in response to
asymmetric collisional forces applied to the macroscopic (but still
quite small) powder particle by microscopic water molecules in
random thermal motion.

And not so much of the royal we. No one has elected you as spokesman
and arbiter for the rest of the forum.

[eccentrically1]

Because of the very small size of its particles, lycopodium powder can be used to demonstrate Brownian motion. A microscope slide, with or without a well, is prepared with a droplet of water, and a fine dusting of lycopodium powder is applied. Then, a cover-glass can be placed over the water and spore sample in order to reduce convection in the water by evaporation. Under several hundred diameters magnification, one will see in the microscope, when well focused upon individual lycopodium particles, that the spore particles "dance" randomly. This is in response to asymmetric collisional forces applied to the macroscopic (but still quite small) powder particle by microscopic water molecules in random thermal motion. The lycopodium particles appear to be "alive", but they are only inert particles being buffeted by forces which, again, because of the small size of the lycopodium particles, respond to the momentum applied to them, which does not quite average to zero in three dimensions. Thus, the particles move.

There is your intervention. The water is warm enough to transfer its kinetic energy to the powder.

Quantum entanglement is interesting, but outside the scope of the Bessler wheel research we’re conducting.

[eccentrically1]

Bessler's wheel could have been operated by some trick. An enduring trick perhaps, but a trick nevertheless.
From seemingly liveless invisible potential to shooting kinetics.

It was definitely a trick, no doubt in my mind.
Lifeless invisible potential such as Frank’s warm water perhaps.

[Senax]

Because of the very small size of its particles, lycopodium powder can be used to demonstrate Brownian motion. A microscope slide, with or without a well, is prepared with a droplet of water, and a fine dusting of lycopodium powder is applied. Then, a cover-glass can be placed over the water and spore sample in order to reduce convection in the water by evaporation. Under several hundred diameters magnification, one will see in the microscope, when well focused upon individual lycopodium particles, that the spore particles "dance" randomly. This is in response to asymmetric collisional forces applied to the macroscopic (but still quite small) powder particle by microscopic water molecules in random thermal motion. The lycopodium particles appear to be "alive", but they are only inert particles being buffeted by forces which, again, because of the small size of the lycopodium particles, respond to the momentum applied to them, which does not quite average to zero in three dimensions. Thus, the particles move.

There is your intervention. The water is warm enough to transfer its kinetic energy to the powder.

Quantum entanglement is interesting, but outside the scope of the Bessler wheel research we’re conducting.

LOL - there's the royal we again. You can't help it can you. 😄

If QE is outside of the scope of the research you are conducting then gravity should definitely be off your agenda.