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ovyyus wrote:
Fletcher wrote:That sounds to me like a wheel with some latitude for inexactness, that really did follow the rules of physics. But that ol' humble tool (my intuition says the common garden lever) was doing a job (n.b. nothing anomalous) that most can't comprehend. IMO.
If the humble tool Bessler referred to was a 'simple lever' (as you intuit) then something added to it must result in a 'special lever' that can then harness an energy source within the wheel.

Defining what kind of energy source is to be harnessed is the first step in designing any engine.

Bessler described what powered his falling weights (gravity), but did he describe what powered his 'special levers'?
Bessler was attempting to solve the age old chestnut of ‘true mechanical PM’. He considered gravity his ‘energy source (in today’s parlance)’ to harness and do external Work. We know this from his books and in particular MT (unpublished at his death and in his possession until then). In MT, which is compartmentalised, the first 55 are gravity machines (first 54 contain side comments). Thereafter he explores concepts for wind and water etc. Finally we have the Toy’s Page (MT’s 138 to 141) with a couple of balance studies thereafter.

In MT Bessler annotates the first 54 conceptual drawings and designs. The fact that they were commented on at all is evidence of something, or some intent of significance or importance ! And since no energy source is identified directly in all those first 55 unworkable designs then his associated notes must be of some pure mechanical significance to his solution, imo. As with the Toys Page mechanical actions the energy source has to be inferred !

The following are chronologically ordered from MT .. and can be read in full in the wiki page (and JC’s original MT translation).

1. Enact Connectedness Principle (MT9)
2. Correct Handle and Construction (MT10)
3. Prime Mover Source Not Shown and can’t be Deduced (MT15)
4. Correct Application of the Stork’s Bills (MT38)
5. Something Special behind the Stork's Bills / More to the Stork’s Bill than Shown (MT41)

As I’ve said in previous posts I believe that item 2. Correct Handle and Construction, relates to the simple Lever alluded to in DT. Supplemented by the addition and action of items 4. & 5. To form a special purpose lever !

And the combination of all the mechanical elements, items 1. thru 5., produce a sustained OOB solution to his ‘true mechanical PM’. And if sustained imbalance turned his wheels, and none other energy source is shown in or deduced from the Toys Page, then gravity force must be inferred as the power source. IMO. As hard as that alleged fuel source for such a device is to fathom and swallow for those of us educated to believe otherwise !
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Coincidence, simple code, wishful thinking, seeing patterns in radomness ? You decide !


AP pg 300 .. Bessler says "I found the way to make 100 odd machines. Only after all those did I find the Mobile I had thirsted after."


In MT, after his arrest of 1733, very near the end of the folio, he substituted in the Toys Page numbering them MT's 138, 139, 140, & 141. And added an additional note in the forward to explain the removal of certain information etc.


MT38 + 100 = MT138


MT41 + 100 = MT141
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Hi Silent,

when a understanding of an thing is too complex, then i divide it into pieces. If it is still to complex then I divide it again.
That is great, you look also on the small details.
Since years nobody has seen, detected what you see.

What also will help is a comparison of what is in common of some drawings.
Maybe you look with your eyes when the picture is turned, dynamic and not static. Look at it from different angles.
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Hi silent .. let me say that I'm glad to see your mojo recovering.

I'm constantly amazed by what people find in MT which I hadn't considered before. Every brick helps build a wall.

All The Best.
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Hi Silent,
have a look to the left side, down.
What I see is a lift and a shift.
Have a look to the turning point of the lazy tongs.

So it fulfills the necessary movement, swinging in the room.
Up and down and also left to right, and reverse.

Hope that this has a value for you.
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silent wrote:BTW: Credit for the MT40 diagram goes to John Collins
Credit goes to Bessler.
Credit goes to that website that someone put on that diagram
Credit goes to Ovyyus, who abstracted Bessler's diagram.
Credit goes to John Collins for having the text translated

how MT41 works
Wiki of Besslerwheel.com wrote: the figures sketched here are not exactly the correct artistic application.
Seems the horizontal (floating?) wheel makes lever C swing in and out, causing the horizontal Storke's Bill to got in and out.
Comparing with the original print, Bill seems to have missed a rope from their ends back to the vertical poles. (it's indeed a bit vague, easy to miss)
A rope can't push, so it seems to me that only the top (at crooked A) pulls the weights upwards.
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ME wrote:Bill seems to have missed a rope from their ends back to the vertical poles.
Yes, there are several uncorrected errors and/or omissions in my versions, which I originally created in order to share Bessler's MT illustrations at a time when copyright restrictions prevented publishing the originals.
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But if you consider the entire wheel as one giant axle ...
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