http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/

[WaltzCee]

It is my expert opinion this is the real deal.

The flywheel according to the preamble is known in the field. In the known flywheel the working mass is moved in a determined range counter to the direction of rotation and in the direction of the central shaft during rotation of the drive shaft so that an imbalance occurs.

The invention relates to a flywheel, wherein the flywheel is intended to drive equipment coupled to the flywheel, wherein at least two working masses are arranged on the flywheel at some distance from a central drive shaft and at least one of the working masses is movable and each working mass is connected via a first rod to the central drive shaft, wherein a first end of the first rod is coupled to the working mass and a second end of the first rod is coupled to the central drive shaft.

When a working mass is applied in a conventional rotating flywheel, it will be pushed outward from the centre. The more rapid the rotation, the more the forces on the weight (kinetic energy) of the working mass will increase. As the rotation speed of the flywheel increases during rotation, this centrifugal force will override the gravitational force on the working mass at a short distance from the centre, whereby it can remain fixed in its inertia attachment point. It has hereby become a stationary component of the flywheel.

It's an unbalanced wheel, the masses work in pairs, and it's oblivious to centrifical force.

[WaltzCee]

The flywheel according to the invention makes it possible to use gravity as energy source by having the weight of the working masses rotate the primary flywheel in harmony and synergy, wherein the kinetic energy resulting from the free fall of each working mass is to be used only for a secondary device. The secondary device can be utilized to generate energy. In order to make this possible the invention has the following important points:

Masses work in pairs.

A. rotating in balance and moving heavy (weight objects) working masses.

B. retention of energy from thrust forces which are generated via push-up means on the motion technology with external energy.

C. elimination of resistance of the weight of the working masses on the ascending side of the flywheel.

No counter Torque.

D. the space for a free fall of the working mass over a minimum of one height length of one metre.

Long skinny, like a hot dog, wheel.

E. elimination of the centrifugal forces on the motion technology applied in the flywheel during rotation.

Additional elucidation of the figures:

[ovyyus]

A 'real deal' without proof of principle?

[WaltzCee]

Yes sir, ovyyus. Their main claim is a flywheel. They wear that word out. Also they're making some pretty Brash Claims. For example energy from Gravity. Or the claim of perspective investors.

We all see things from our own individual perspectives, through our own lenses. I could never in a million years imagine making the claims these people are making without having a working model.

They also claim to have built a working model.

The future is here.

[eccentrically1]

Here is the technique:


In the AGM, however, the imbalance is not caused by shifting a weight towards the center of rotation (shorter arm), but by shifting the force at the push-off points.

Those points in the AGM are alternately used to:

Let the weight push itself off
To receive the power of the weight
At one stationary moment of the weight allow the AGM to temporarily push-off (accelerate)
To let the force of the weight jump over a very large distance to another push-off point (removal of resistance).
The resistance on the ascending side with one or more “working weights� is so low that the forces on the descending side are always extremely dominant in the AGM. In addition, the centrifugal force has no negative influences on the applied movement technique during rotation.

Most of the external energy used to keep the system running is preserved (law of conservation of energy) and contributes to the overall yield. Almost all kinetic energy generated in the AGM (free fall with quadratic acceleration of the working weight) can therefore be used to drive a secondary system such as a generator, water pump etc.


The "sense of scale" pic gives an idea of how big and complicated it is. I'm not sure what it does, but I'm sure this isn't a gravity wheel.

[WaltzCee]

Most of the external energy used to keep the system running is preserved (law of conservation of energy) and contributes to the overall yield.

Bessler's 2 way wheel started with a push. The pneumatics that get this wheel underway stay with the system and are reused. Cool idea. I think when the weight resets it compresses the air.

and the chickens said, "4 legs good, 2 legs bad."

[WaltzCee]

The "sense of scale" pic gives an idea of how big and complicated it is. I'm not sure what it does, but I'm sure this isn't a gravity wheel.

Their claim is that it is a gravity wheel, Ecc.

[WaltzCee]

I sent this email to Forbes.

Hello,

There's a company, Mooie Energie (Beautiful Energy), website: http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/ that is making some incredible claims. They filed a patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/WO201 ... us+abeling that seems to be doing an end-run around the conservative nature of gravity.

Incredible as it sounds, I think they seriously have found an answer. If they're not faking, this could be the story of the century.

Thank you for your time.

[Senax]

...
I can assure everyone that gravity's role in this gain principle is utterly trivial
and incidental - review my data-dump in the Community Buzz forum and
you'll see the interaction being performed with gravity disabled, and a generic
9.81 N force being applied to the 'weight', which could thus be applied via
any force at all.

Obviously, gravity is the most ubiquitous and accessible force around us, and
also the most confounding to apply to mechanical OU - meeting all outward
appearances of the mythical 'gravity mill'. This is doubtless part of the reason
Bessler applied it this way, and the same assumptions apply with regard to
Sjack Abeling's device.

It cannot be stressed emphatically enough that this is mechanical OU, not
energy-from-gravity.

The momentum gain is sourced from whatever the applied force - gravity, EM
force, springs, or even just inertial force ('G-force' from accelerating or
rotating).
...

Makes sense to me.

[Senax]

Note how they allude to a "quadratic acceleration" - as in, "an acceleration that squares".
...

I think they must be referring to Ersatz Gravity (EG).

That "squares" with distance from the centre. It can also reach much higher
values than NG..

[WaltzCee]

As I was coming out of church services (Our Lady of the Perpetual Motion) a few Sundays
back, meditating on my navel, and sister Betty Jo's navel, going ommm, I tried to imagine
what reason could there be to term centrifugal force Ersatz Gravity. I could only think of one
reason. I believe there is a purpose for everything under Heaven's Son.

3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven

Turn, turn, turn. We are beyond the time of looking at Bessler's wheel as an analog
computer. The present configuration is 15000 lb getting dropped 1 to 3 meters. The inertia
of its structure is irrelevant. All the forces are being managed by a digital control system.
That's where we're at today. Is it centrifugal force? Let's call it the Boogly Bhah Force.
Additionally irrelevant.

Is this Force being used, or managed. It's anybody's guess.

Bessler's two-way Wheels began with a push. This present monster begins with a
Pneumatic impulse, that is recaptured. The push stays within the system. No energy lost.
Who gets the credit? Who gives a damn.

The T Boone Pickens and the Saudis are salivating over oil going back to $100 a barrel.
Imagine This, these hybrid analog /digital computers managing a 15000 lb flywheel
cranking out two megawatts of power replacing gas stations all around the world.

The future is here. And we're arguing what to call a buggy whip. Heck we don't even know how to make one.

And the chickens say, " 4 feet good, two feet bad."
Using the mass of the whole to cause an imbalance is not novel. It's something found in
nature. These guys are using a Pneumatic push to cause the imbalance. What causes the
imbalance is not the critical thing.

[Senax]

...
Proceeding with a 'gravity wheel' design, without conclusively eliminating the net momentum necessarily being applied to Earth, is utterly unconscionable. This is not some excitable Chicken Licken parody - mechanical OU using gravity definitely necessitates applying excess momentum, from gravity, to Earth.
...

There's no need to worry since the engines will all be oriented in different
directions. The momentum vectors will cancel out.

The momentum doesn't come from Newtonian Gravity.
It comes from Ersatz Gravity.

[Furcurequs]

Out of curiosity, I checked to see if there were any recent updates on the Mooie Energie website, and I found that not only are there no new posts, but they seem to have removed all posts since March 31 of 2018.

That means the recent descriptions and the alleged pictures of their claimed device are no longer there. Well, part of the first picture we saw is apparently still being used as a background image for the title of their website, but the one showing the guy with the wrench it totally gone.

The Wayback Machine has a snapshot from Feb. 16, 2019 which still has that last picture, but it doesn't have the more recent "newsletter" post which has apparently now disappeared.

http://web.archive.org/web/201902161355 ... gie.nl/en/

[Senax]

That's interesting.

There are several possible explanations.

1. Suppression by the PTB.

2. A bridge too far like RAR

3. It does work but the backers don't want to give any help to competitors.

In any event - probably not good news. The third option is the least bad.

I suppose another possibility is that it's a scam. Having followed its history
from the get-go I rather doubt that. Full marks for finding it on the
The Wayback Machine.

If I were Big Oil and found out they had what they claim I would buy them
off - or failing that - bump them off. 😉

Thinking a bit more about number 3. The more recent bulletins did give
rather a lot of information away.

[Furcurequs]

Hey Frank,

I don't really know what to think. I just try to keep an eye on those who are making claims. History, of course, would show that when it comes to this sort of stuff most will almost certainly not have what they claim, but since I do have ideas of my own that I think could "possibly" work, I'm maybe a bit more open to the possibility that others might one day prove to be successful with something.

When I bother, I try to analyze other people's stuff based upon what I know of conventional physics, but I also try to see if others' claims could in any way fit in with my own more speculative notions.

Since Abeling is spending money to get patents, he may be a true believer. ...or I guess he could even be a fraudster with just enough of a public presence that he can discretely lure in investors behind the scenes.

He seems to me to be a bit too patient and quiet to be a hoaxer, but maybe he could be in it for the long hoax. ...lol.

Due to the relatively limited time of patent protection, once the intellectual property is secured on a viable technology, I would think that one would want to go as big as possible as soon as possible afterwards. To be honest, though, what I've seen on Abeling's "Wordpress" website doesn't give me the impression that those are his plans.

Time will tell, though, I guess.