5:3 Preponderance and the ancient problem of Perpetual Motion

[WaltzCee]

I belive, if it wasn't for religion we would be 500 - 1000 years ahead in scientific development and understanding of our universe...

This is easily refuted.

There is debate whether the Pythagorean theorem was discovered once, or
many times in many places, and the date of first discovery is uncertain, as is the date of the
first proof. Historians of Mesopotamian mathematics have concluded that the
Pythagorean rule was in widespread use during the Old Babylonian period (20th to 16th
centuries BC), over a thousand years before Pythagoras was born.[69][70][71][72]

The Pythagorean theorem is the Cornerstone of modern mathematics. We have been
knowing about it for an incredibly long period of time.

What religion delayed the advancement of mathematics for 18-22 centuries?
Mathematics is the fundamental language of all Sciences.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven

[Oystein]

For example Christianity! - As the church forbid seeking or telling about what we today know as the truth!

- Why has advancement been delayed because of this shit?

In my opinion: Because millions of people and billions of hours has been (miss)used to NOT search for the truth about the universe's physics (and math), but devoted to search for salvation of the individual, an ugly egocentric hope of a happy afterlife for themselves. And any thought about the world conflicting with the bible was prohibited. BUT those of the brightest minds did it anyway, without being taught it at school, they had to starte almost from scratch, or a secret society/teaching and had to write (or paint) in code!! What a f.... waste of time..because of religion!

Wiki:

it was to the Pythagoreans that Copernicus referred to show that the notion of a moving Earth was neither new nor revolutionary.[7] Kepler gave an alternative explanation of the Pythagoreans' "central fire" as the Sun, "as most sects purposely hid[e] their teachings"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

One of those sects called themselves "Rose Cross"! Almost 2000 years..for .?.. sake..

And we must not forget:

Aristarchus of Samos, (born c. 310 BCE—died c. 230 BCE), Greek astronomer who maintained that the spherical Earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the Sun.

Aristharchus method involved Pythagoras theorem, the sun as the center of the planetary system, spherical planets and made us able to calculate the sizes and the distances between the Earth, Sun and the moon! As in the Philosophers Stone formula..but hidden from the church and public school. What a shame! So glad Orffyreus documented it all for us!

And what did the Great Leonardo daVinci think about this? Did he believe that science is held back by religion and the establishment?

.."And yet they want to comprehend the mind of God, talking about it as though they had already dissected it into parts. Still they remain unaware of their own bodies, of the realities of their surroundings, and even unaware of their own stupidity."

"Along with the scholars, they despise the mathematical sciences, which are the only true sources of information about those things which they claim to know so much about. Instead they talk about miracles and write about things that nobody could ever know, things that cannot be proven by any evidence in nature."

Attached is a picture hailed by the Rosicrucians, of a person looking outside of the Biblical ("Gods") erroneous description of the universe,

[Fletcher]

Hi Oystein .. I think you will be interested in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eUibFQKJqI

I watched a History Channel doco last night called "The First Computer". Can't find it as yet to post the link. I wasn't too hopeful but got a pleasant surprise. Right down your alley.

It was about the Antikythera mechanism. To paraphrase the important bits from your perspective.

Attributed to the ancient Greeks, a geocentric model of the solar system and the 5 planets and moon they knew about. Incredible accuracy based on 18 year cycles and 223 moon months. Prime numbers kept popping up all thru their reverse engineering.

They concluded Archimedes (after Euclid & Plato) was the original designer but other documentation suggests he may have got it from another earlier source.

The math involved was astounding, let alone the engineering to build such a machine 2200 - 2400 years ago. Apparently the technology moved from the Greeks to the Bysantines, then to the Arabs.

The takeaway for me was where did that complex math come from and it rang true to your analysis of science and math back to the time of the pyramids etc.

Thought you might be interested in adding that to your "Flow Chart".

[gravityman52]

Your earlier post regarding the jpg file Imbalance preponderance switch 3&5 to 5&3 by Kreuz is not to be dismissed. There is no doubt that this exact weight inventory will keep a wheel turning. There is so many tests that have been completed that will keep pointing back to the simplicity of your post.

[WaltzCee]

First, please accept my apologies for former employees that took figurative language out of
the Bible and took it literally. I can assure you those Joker's are no longer working for us.
Today at Church, Inc Anything Goes. We don't even mind if you believe you're half monkey.
All we ask is that you don't do your business in your hand and throw it around the service.

I belive, if it wasn't for religion we would be 500 - 1000 years ahead in scientific development and understanding of our universe...

I've been thinking about this a bit, and I'm wondering what's your hurry?

[Oystein]

My hurry?

Full understanding of the universe, so that that we can make the world a better place for our followers..

A better place includes establish only true knowledge. Throwing belief (The root to fights and quarrel on) the boat. Maximizing the placebo without religion. Establish slightly new better ways of running a democracy. Harnessing the simplest and cleanest form of energy. Uncover any secret that hinder any of this etc etc.

Best
ØR

[Oystein]

Hi Oystein .. I think you will be interested in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eUibFQKJqI

I watched a History Channel doco last night called "The First Computer". Can't find it as yet to post the link. I wasn't too hopeful but got a pleasant surprise. Right down your alley.

It was about the Antikythera mechanism. To paraphrase the important bits from your perspective.

Attributed to the ancient Greeks, a geocentric model of the solar system and the 5 planets and moon they knew about. Incredible accuracy based on 18 year cycles and 223 moon months. Prime numbers kept popping up all thru their reverse engineering.

They concluded Archimedes (after Euclid & Plato) was the original designer but other documentation suggests he may have got it from another earlier source.

The math involved was astounding, let alone the engineering to build such a machine 2200 - 2400 years ago. Apparently the technology moved from the Greeks to the Bysantines, then to the Arabs.

The takeaway for me was where did that complex math come from and it rang true to your analysis of science and math back to the time of the pyramids etc.

Thought you might be interested in adding that to your "Flow Chart".

Thank you Fletcher. I have known about that device for several years, but often forget the historical implications of it. It fits well with the ancient heliocentric knowledge.

Best
ØR

[WaltzCee]

Fully understanding of the universe, so that that we can make the world a better place for our followers..

followers? I don't hold out much hope for a Utopia on Earth. Noble Cause, but I think it's doomed to fail.

As science advances it discards old Truth for new truth. There will never come a time when
science knows it all. As advanced as we are, you can find pollution in the South Pole you
can find pollution in the deepest reaches of the ocean.

And in the book of Isaiah you can find woe unto you who destroy the Earth. That was
sometime 750 BC. The more man advances, the worse things get. That's the historical
evidence.

True knowledge equals true Scotsman.

[Oystein]

That is simply because my vision is not met.. ;)

If the right people were in control, elected and held in place by a perfect system, and the correct way of ruling and teaching true knowledge was done, it would be possible to do what ever we wanted on earth.

You are biased by the past... like saying Bessler's wheel will isn't here, so it will never be.. BUT still you search... don't you? why?

Joking set aside.. Actually you searching for Bessler's wheel is the same you ask me.. Why find out the truth about natures matters? What's the hurry?

We want to solve mysteries of nature don't we? And if the sciences has been wrong about Bessler's wheel, it has complicated the matters.. that's the hurry..

Best
ØR

[WaltzCee]

Alexander the Great concentrated populations by Conquest, and brought the world a
Common Language Koine Greek. Then the Romans built roads all over the known world
that later were used by Christians fleeing persecution. The letters or Epistles that Paul
wrote were written in this Greek and transported along the Roman Road system throughout
the known world.

People would sit around and listen to some literate person read these letters. That incited
young people to want to become literate.

You blame religion for standing in the way of science. Frankly I think you're mistaken. I
would blame illiterate people throughout the ancient world. I would also blame people that
knew things but occulted them. I suppose that's a religion in and of itself. So in a sense I
guess I'd have to agree with you that particular religion of occulting things stood in the way of progress.

[Oystein]

Yes, and mostly I think it goes down to greed, (and fear) that is preponderant in most humans..

Problems of man:

Greed - seeking salvation for ourselves. (Religion) (Why Masons prefer charity)
Greed - seeking easy win, by prayer (Religion)
Greed - keeping knowledge for ourselves (Bessler)
Greed - seeking short term win, while long term is needed.
Fear - keeping true knowledge/science for ourselves (fear of Religion)
Fear - seeking easy comfort by prayer (Religion)

Example of secondary problems that slows down progress and wastes time:
Praying for better health, as no medicine or knowledge is available due to religious banning of publication of such study. The man has no choice to spend his time study himself or get a cure, and turns to prayer.. But the real problem I see, is that so much time could be spent better, if all of those started so study the truth rather being satisfied with the accepted method of prayer, or other occult spells..as you wrote..

Example: (on understanding the vascular system and the human body).

Michael Servitus, a Spanish physician born in 1511, possessed a thorough knowledge of Galen’s writings. He carried out vivisections on animals and also observed the pulmonary circulation. He was burned at the stake for his religious beliefs on 27 October 1553.

If this NOT delaying scientific progress by religion.. I really wonder..

And did you know that Leonardo da Vinci knew, illustrated and explained this already? and that it took several hundre years before his work got recognized, and him as a true scientific genius..and NOT just a payed religious artist/painter.. Well, it could be that he put it into his paintings..Paintings made for people that he hated..about matters that he hated.. rather than being burned.. who knows.. maybe Bessler did..and kept silent.. (delaying progress again)..

Just my humble thoughts on the matter..

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Oystein,

the science knows the problem and also the solution.

But the science don't touch this area anymore.

They prevent to work in this window Frame.

The area is the undampened vibration/oscillation in a Feedback Loop.

The technichians avoid these vibrations like the pest, because it is getting in the most cases out of control.
So in their construction they avoid this case.

An 5:3 overweight can be easily be managed, only remove the fix axle, and there you go.

So Bessler has given this clue already, the axle must be able to move !!
He does not say the axle must turn, he said move, "bewegen" !!
It is a loose axle !! All must be going around !! the complete "Herde".

Everyone in knowing what happend when you have a loose axle.
There are differences in rotation because the mass center is not the rotation Center point.
This is not nice movment, but the way to go.
Bessler managed this way in several constructions.

I don't know how many models Bessler has build which were destroyed by this movment, I assume a lot, until he got it under Control.

[Oystein]

I hear/read Georg, but I can't relate or visualize any place where interesting interaction are causing unknown effects.. I have been following you for a decade or two. I think everything must move along..i think nothing must vibrate..

I have suggested that Bessler actually did hide the (at that time) secret symbol, the square and compass as a code, just as RC and Masons did.

But why, all ask.. Why? would he hide such a thing.. Just to say that he knows masonry or RC? Or for a dual reason..that the secret symbol actually was a part of his wheel too?

If so, he would both stay protected by prominent Masons.., hinder a possible forced roll-up by a lawsuit. (courtroom full of masons) and at the same time can say. Look here, in case of the invention stolen..

Further thoughts:
If so, this MUST be why Bessler said to the high ranked targets of AP: In 17 17 I will distribute my secret, but I will NOT expose the secret of Kings and Princes. The Royal Secret degree of Masonry.. Also then to calm down Karl, as his boss, as he would actually know IF the two secrets are indeed one. As Karl knew and his family is known to be RC/Masonic..

Best
ØR

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Oystein,

the parallelogram from the child page is an mechanical flip flop, not more.
It is an oscillator !! with two stands.
Set and reset like in an RS FLIP FLOP today.

But I will come back to your cross Version.
I have made you a Picture how i see it.
you can have a cube laying on the Floor, a stable function.
you can have a cube that stands on an edge, an unstable function,
and you can also have a cross which I have drawn you with some cylinders.

Depending on the Rotation of the cross it will variate between the stable and unstable function.
Forget the middle axle, only try to roll it over the ground,
and you will see that the COG will be shifted in the room,
up, down, left, right, depending on the roll direction.

To get your 5:3 Overweight make 2 crosses and turn it on the ground,
then you have your function.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Oystein,
here you see your 5:3 preponderance,

it is an assymetric construction now, only turned by some degrees.

Such a construction will make 8 Impacts on the ground for one revolution.

The pivot point of the construction is on the ground