Could bessler's secret be simply derived from this principle ?

[unstable]

Could bessler's secret be simply derived from this principle ?
https://media.giphy.com/media/W0W4kQLu1 ... /giphy.gif

[Silvertiger]

That would be Bruce Yeany lol. He's demonstrating potential and kinetic energy. The bearing traveling the valleys makes it to the other side first because it has more KE than than the bearing moving on the straight path. They BOTH start with equal amounts of acceleration, but one bearing is allowed to drop farther than the other, thus allowing it to convert more PE into KE, which allows it to travel the same distance between two points at a greater rate. The trade-off for this advantage is, of course, height; and if he allowed the bearings to continue the race, the one with more KE would settle and stop at a lower height than the one on the straight track, and thus energy is conserved. Translation: if this was put on a wheel, it would bottom out with the bearing that drops farther and goes faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GJujClGYJQ

[Georg Künstler]

hopefully you see that the test is manipulated, the fast running ball does not reach the same high as the slow one.
So the fast ball has lost more energy.
Look closely at which position the fast ball is being taken.

[Oystein]

Nothing to see here..

A ball can use "any" amount of time from A to B depending of how fast it reaches optimal velocity.

If the first part is close to horisontal, the time spent from A to B would be close to infinity.

As far as I know, we already know that a ball will not start accellerating on a horisontal surface.

Likewise..accelerating vertically "for ever" will take the ball infinity from A to B..

Nothing to see..

Merry Christmas or Solar Soltice as Rosicrucians celebrate 🎅

[daxwc]

Now, instead of a side by side race, glue the two tracks back to back and add a pivot in the middle. Any guesses to the outcome?

[Silvertiger]

No guesses...the answer is that it will tip and both bearings will come together at the bottom and become a pendulum. :)

[unstable]

For me, however, it is interesting. If there were no tricks (from this video you don't understand) it could be the way to obtain a different speed between the weights, at different times in the rotation of the wheel. This would create a constant imbalance, perhaps.

[unstable]

Thanks for the great explanation. I have now read your comments. Too bad I thought it was something interesting.
Merry Christmas to you all

[daxwc]

One might think it is a useless exercise until you realise the wheel density seriously affects the outcome. Also changing one weight to a hoop of the same mass is interesting.

You can start the right ball just about halfway and the left beats it without leverage. You can actually start the right ball 3/4 of the way and the left beats it but loses the leverage game.

[daxwc]

I imagine most people have seen this but it does peak my curiosity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of ... nertia.gif


I have a design that uses Moment of Inertia but not just of the total machine but changing MOI of the weight itself depending on the direction it is traveling.

Is there any evidence of this in MT? Maybe; analyse MOI of MT 107 and look at what would happen if you change direction. Once you have realised there would be a difference then you can look at other MT's as the drawing being the weights themselves and see things from a different perspective.

Maybe that is what MT 124 is about MOI.

[Georg Künstler]

or in general,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia

so known physic.

What is missing is the movement on a lever which is loose,
an unstable stand.
It is the combination of the move at the right time which will increase the imbalance.

[Johndoe2]

Short answer yes, but it's a long road and far away

[m2x]

Would the quickest path to travel across that line be a Brachistrochrone curve? With this path the ball not only gets to the minima fastest, it has a higher velocity at that point too.

[daxwc]

m2x:

Would the quickest path to travel across that line be a Brachistrochrone curve?

Yes; that is why I was started with this line of inquiry. I was trying to show the whole time a mass is moving it is still providing leverage. BUT remember once the wheel starts falling away the dynamics change.