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He's supposed to be the head of government*, not the all-seeing eye!
He is head of the government and half the people think he is doing a good job on the pandemic that he governs whether you like it or not. Voted in by an elected due process democracy. You can always watch your own government’s actions; I am sure where you live they have government press conferences. So why are you so worried what America does? Why rely on America to come save your ass, pay for it yourself if you want. Why are other countries glued to the US politics like a rubbernecker looking for gore even before the train wreck? I realise Trump is a media draw but you are doing it to yourselves and adding to the circus. Why do other countries think the US should bail them out and be the global leader. I thought that is what your beloved UN did? If you think you want to give more money to the corrupt WHO go ahead they are not all that ethical who they take money from. They will even take money from Norway’s oil fund, Gates or Soros as they don't seem real picky on who's money they waste.
Normally it's hilarious from a distance, now it becomes dangerous.
How does it become dangerous to you personally exactly? Open up your pocket; problem fixed.
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daxwc wrote:He is head of the government and half the people think he is doing a good job on the pandemic...
It seems to be less than half, and falling. Non-biased fanatical Trump supporters are rare. From Fox who-needs-enemies-with-friends-like-these News:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... oronavirus
Gallup wrote:Trump stands at 43 percent approval [covid-19 handling] and 54 percent disapproval in the new poll, which was conducted April 1-14...
Gallup wrote:The poll finds that just 30 percent of Americans say they’re satisfied with the way things are going in the country, a nosedive of 12 points from March...
With presidential election voter turnout at less than 56% Trump could probably claim a 'majority' with only 30% polling approval :D
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daxwc wrote:ME:
He's supposed to be the head of government*, not the all-seeing eye!
He is head of the government and half the people think he is doing a good job on the pandemic that he governs whether you like it or not. Voted in by an elected due process democracy. You can always watch your own government’s actions; I am sure where you live they have government press conferences. So why are you so worried what America does? Why rely on America to come save your ass, pay for it yourself if you want. Why are other countries glued to the US politics like a rubbernecker looking for gore even before the train wreck? I realize Trump is a media draw but you are doing it to yourselves and adding to the circus. Why do other countries think the US should bail them out and be the global leader. I thought that is what your beloved UN did? If you think you want to give more money to the corrupt WHO go ahead they are not all that ethical who they take money from. They will even take money from Norway’s oil fund, Gates or Soros as they don't seem real picky on who's money they waste.
Normally it's hilarious from a distance, now it becomes dangerous.
How does it become dangerous to you personally exactly? Open up your pocket; problem fixed.
Have you heard of confirmation bias, and have you ever asked yourself if this at least possibly could be the case with you in this matter?

Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or strengthens one's prior personal beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias.

Don't get back to me and say..the same to you.. Yes I have asked my self many times.. and I have even agreed with trump on one of his hunches. He said it's my hunch that the death/mortality rate of the corona virus is below 1 %. even when all the initial reports said 4% etc. So that one was actually true. And I even believe we are overreacting towards the Covid-19, but at the same time I know that the better and wise thing to do is ALWAYS to be expecting the worst case (if possible) and prepare for such. Because we didn't know the virus, and don't know enough about the long and short term effects of it.. So Trump got some points and hunches that is good..but I have come to the conclusion that the correct thing to do regarding health is that we always have to be prepared, protect and have plans, first priority.. but he didn't. We simply cant't base our protection choices of the life of others on hunches! That's simply not the better average strategy. You can buy on hunches..but never buy on hunches, if the stake is human lives. But not to admit to his errors, respect others, learn and change...but only to change, and still lie about prior opinions and statements will have to make his downfall.. more and more people will have to see that he is the opposite of any person whom we actually like and adore in everyday life. And he has the same going as a priest.. tell comforting lies..instead of the truth.. Works for some.. but some times the truth is refreshing.. I hope. But people are strange.. so many religious people too..based on no proof what so ever.. so I wouldn't be surprised if they, by their confirmation bias, cheer him on for a new period.. more crumbs..

If you mean what you say, you would not appreciate or use WHO advice?
If you get sick with Covid-19, or someone in your family..will you let yourself or your family be treated with the drug that the WHO project will outline as the best treatment around the world? Yes, or no? Will you refuse the medicine? Or will you take it?

Do you really believe Norway pay WHO and CEPI etc. without getting back what they expect? Why on earth would they? Our earlier greatest prime minister have even been leading WHO and stopped other possible pandemics. And she said. The countries has been warned! Many many times! They don't prepare.. A whole report jus prior to this concluded that! What's your big national plans, get it outlined, have all key personell ready, prepare your stock etc. Nothing happened.. WHO often talked to deaf ears was the conclusion..

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daxwc wrote:
He is head of the government and half the people think he is doing a good job on the pandemic that he governs whether you like it or not.

Voted in by an elected due process democracy.

You can always watch your own government’s actions; I am sure where you live they have government press conferences.

1. So why are you so worried what America does?

2. Why rely on America to come save your ass, pay for it yourself if you want.

3. Why are other countries glued to the US politics like a rubbernecker looking for gore even before the train wreck?

I realise Trump is a media draw but you are doing it to yourselves and adding to the circus.

4. Why do other countries think the US should bail them out and be the global leader.

5. I thought that is what your beloved UN did?

6. If you think you want to give more money to the corrupt WHO go ahead they are not all that ethical who they take money from.

They will even take money from Norway’s oil fund, Gates or Soros as they don't seem real picky on who's money they waste.
Thank you for your post. You have put forward several key questions. Also statements that have a good foundation.

You have motivated me, via your posts, too watch the Elected President of the United States of America's daily update.

Your post and insights help me too see and confirm, in agreement, how the press interact with the during the meetings.

We should all look at your good questions and they deserve good answers.

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It seems to be less than half, and falling. Non-biased fanatical Trump supporters are rare. From Fox who-needs-enemies-with-friends-like-these News:
The show “The Five� is better. I see a little hostility to Fox News. May I suggest Breitbart or the The Daily Caller might be more to your journalistic value than the “fair and balanced� Fox News. 8P

I find it intriguing that Andrew Breitbart started Breitbart and Huffpost with the same platform two years apart and where the tree limbs have grown. Also you might find it quizzical that the most unbiased US political news actually comes from Russia Today within the domestic sphere in my opinion.


With presidential election voter turnout at less than 56% Trump could probably claim a 'majority' with only 30% polling approval :D
At first glance it seems like a pointed exaggerated dig. Then you realise two things, first his base energised, second where have they stuffed and propped up Biden during the pandemic.
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Excerpt from one of the daily reports from WHO:

"It is expected that further international exportation of cases may appear in any country. Thus, all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoV infection, and to share full data with WHO. - January 23. 2020

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... on-reports

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Have you heard of confirmation bias, and have you ever asked yourself if this at least possibly could be the case with you in this matter?
Nah; more of a contrarian with a slight sprinkling of troll. I would rather have the sheeps’ back while the herd all bleat in the other direction at a squirrel.
"It is expected that further international exportation of cases may appear in any country. Thus, all countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoV infection, and to share full data with WHO. - January 23. 2020
Little late wasn't it and they were probably still advocating people don't lockdown their countries. It will be interesting to se if Sweden didn't have the best long term strategy.
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Remember when the news used to be about the news as fact and very little leaning bias or opinion.
Links to a news media video full of unproven conjecture...
Uh… you do realise the difference between news and a documentary. I am not the news just a guy with a stick in your eye.


What do you gain by blaming the WHO?
Nothing; what have you gained for all those years of propping them up?

Please consider that crying "pandemic" too early is neither beneficial for their existence. Working against the Chinese regime is neither beneficial for future relationships.
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The WHO is not the blame that Covid-19 exists!
Yes there are, unless you want to revert back to naming it the Wuhan Virus.
Neither is the WHO responsible for the actions of other countries.
Especially when those actions fail or happen too late.
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I don’t suppose you noticed that the global community waited on the US to take action on every decision. Every decision was made counter to W.H.O advice. The world was not supposed to be following the US lead. The world was supposed to be following the World Health Organization recommendations that after all is the whole existence of their being.

"Borders should be kept open and people and trade flowing in the face of the coronavirus outbreak, although countries have a sovereign right to take measures to try to protect their citizens, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Friday. JANUARY 31, 2020"
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Trump has made certain his name appears on the $1200 paper stimulus checks currently being mailed.

In 1973, the head of Fascist Spain, Franco, had his image appearing on his currency, the peseta.

That doesn't prove Trump is fascist but I worry about where the USA will be heading after COVID-19.
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Not sure of your concern Jim as George Washington got many coins struck with his face during his presidency. Take it for what it is a marketing ploy to drive Democrats crazy.
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You caught me off-guard about George Washington. Although, my point is still economic. COVID-19 is going to cost the world a lot of money.

While the government prints the dollars to cover the debt, we will still need to borrow to pay for this new war but from whom? We borrow from China but China doesn't borrow from us. They're a productive country now. I fear how Trump is going to need balance with our services.
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Odd isn’t it Jim that cash is still king. Gold hasn’t rose much as you would have expected considering the spending and economic disaster of hobbling the world’s economy. I would like to think nobody is controlling that but Russia and China have been hording gold for years makes me wonder.
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Jim Williams wrote:my point is still economic.

While the government prints the dollars to cover the debt, we will still need to borrow to pay for this new war but from whom?
Why borrow? Imagine print the dollars and pay the debt.

The problem with printing is hyper-inflation if done incorrectly.

Quantitative easing was a form of printing money.

There is quantitative siphoning available to extract money out of general circulation.

There could be some creative accounting to do a grand reset were the notion of payback is not required!

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Something tells me (maybe Capt. Kirk is whispering in my ear) if we print even only the 2.2 trillion, we will pay for it. The material value of everything will be the same but with more money to pay for it. I'd look for changes in the exchange rate not in our favor.
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Why does woman seem to respond better to the covid-19 epidemy? Something about putting health before wealth? People over stocks? Or just a coincidence?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/avivahwitt ... n-leaders/

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