Far right ME? Does that make your stance extremely far left? Media and government have been has been trying to get a hold of the narrative again ever since social media has come out and went around them. Governments and controlling authorities hate this and slowly they are gaining back their control through censorship of platforms.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-ca ... ip-science
Covid-19
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re: Covid-19
What goes around, comes around.
re: Covid-19
Who really thinks shutting down news companies and only having one government controlled broadcast per nation is actually a good idea? I guess China has a grip on its fake news problem. Censorship is a slippery slope and the public shouldn’t be giving up their hard fought freedoms that easy because it leeches into other aspects of society.
What goes around, comes around.
re: Covid-19
And there's that one-dimensional "Shades of gray"-remark.Far right ME? Does that make your stance extremely far left?
To me it demonstrates clearly how a "with-us-or-against-us"-philosophy causes extremism.
And that's also how republicans and democrats can only exist on the exact same line without variation.
Besides gray, there's also something like color.
You need at least a third vector to get some variation.
Has nothing to do with Russians or Chinese... perhaps they are laughing at the sideline, yet may welcome any solution?How can you consider a fight for the truth to be so far-right as to make the solution triggered communism? How can communism ever be considered a solution when it's murdered over 100 million people during the last century?
This "fight for truth" and calling things "fake" for no good reason is a distraction-tactic from a guy in an unfortunate influential position who does not know how to "win" otherwise or speak consistently or have the slightest concern of anything but his own.
At least in this context, that "fight" is propaganda to confuse the masses with ever increasing outrage. "Fake media" is already a generally "accepted" form of terrorism. Besides, we all (still) don't necessarily need those media-outlets to verify the words.
Hence when a person in the role of leadership tries to deflect and bent his own statements while blaming others for pointing out those deflection then at the very least he's not a good leader, maybe a good spin-doctor.
Not that opinionated TV is a blessing IMO, but neither is state-controlled TV.
We're still lucky we can form our own opinions by watching "unannotated" and uncut briefings.
And sure, full-blown communism is not a solution. Neither is full-blown capitalism...
IMO, America's anti-communism is a self-inflicted psychosis. According to its rhetoric then anything "social" is apparently equal to "socialism" and equals "communism". There's literally nothing, or little, that actual communist countries need to do to make you jump.
Apparently it's better to help out the largest corporation and hope it "trickles down" instead of "we-the-people" should support the work-force with affordable healthcare or a minimum wage in fear of turning bright-red somehow.
Marchello E.
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re: Covid-19
Have you noticed that the countries that have liberty, mobility and have long standing economies are currently fairing the worst?
Where switching off liberty, mobility and economies is not natural.
So social sacrifice seems to trump individual sacrifice.
I think of the days of barn raising in the west; now that was society.
Note We are all on the same side.
Cheers
Where switching off liberty, mobility and economies is not natural.
So social sacrifice seems to trump individual sacrifice.
I think of the days of barn raising in the west; now that was society.
Note We are all on the same side.
Cheers
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
re: Covid-19
I notice that liberty of the people seems to be proportional to the transparency of the government.agor95 wrote:]Have you noticed that the countries that have liberty, mobility and have long standing economies are currently fairing the worst?
And that this transparency is proportional to the amount of responsibility they take.
And eventually circles back again to the liberties of the people.
So when forms of blame enter the scene of government... [etc].
That conclusion only sounds bad, but is it really?So social sacrifice seems to trump individual sacrifice.
As an example:
Paying taxes and having insurance are examples of individual sacrifice for gaining social benefits. If only for having good roads, community transport, a fire department, etc.
The idea is that such social sacrifice should be bearable enough until you get in the unfortunate situation where you require assistance of those social benefits where you would otherwise be finished.
Another option is the individual sacrifice of having a savings account and a bucket of water while hoping you have enough in case you might need it.
The benefit of the latter is having a more self-control on what you invest although at some higher risk.
Either option in this example has a downside.
But why either/or?
With both options combined you may benefit from both upsides - which is actually a recursion of this whole example.
Even in one-dimension there's a choice.
But when one pushes himself in one direction and excludes the other option because of (however-it's-named but "red") then one simply removes any form of choice and liberty... all by themselves.
And I think that's too bad because I just like my Americans free, happy and crispy.
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Marchello E.
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re: Covid-19
ME:
The media war against social media is happening all over the world, not just America. If you wish to be blind and play “pin the tail on the donkey� go ahead he is a big target. Loss of freedoms is a slippery slope as I said before giving them away due to panic or fake news isn’t the answer. Why is it the people who are always crying fascism are the first to want to deploy fascist controls?This "fight for truth" and calling things "fake" for no good reason is a distraction-tactic from a guy in an unfortunate influential position who does not know how to "win" otherwise or speak consistently or have the slightest concern of anything but his own.
At least in this context, that "fight" is propaganda to confuse the masses with ever increasing outrage. "Fake media" is already a generally "accepted" form of terrorism. Besides, we all (still) don't necessarily need those media-outlets to verify the words.
Hence when a person in the role of leadership tries to deflect and bent his own statements while blaming others for pointing out those deflection then at the very least he's not a good leader, maybe a good spin-doctor.
What goes around, comes around.
re: Covid-19
ME:
The two have absolutely nothing in common. Trumps administration is probably the most transparent ever. Trump also takes the least personal blame himself due to his ego. The two are not reliant on each other.I notice that liberty of the people seems to be proportional to the transparency of the government.
And that this transparency is proportional to the amount of responsibility they take.
What goes around, comes around.
re: Covid-19
agor95 wrote:
1) Travel; Americans are affluent enough that they do lots of travelling for business and recreation. Example: when I visited my distant relatives in Scotland I was surprised they thought going on a drive 3 hrs away to another city was a once a decade experience. Travel and being social make for the transmission of the disease faster.
2) Older population such as Italy and western societies make for more deaths. For examples about ten years ago Russia’s average lifespan for men was 52, obviously what we know about the virus means lower number for them in that category per 100000 people.
3) It is harder for those people to change and just give up their freedom on lockdowns. Humans are creatures of habit. If your thing was going to the pub then you are likely to forfill that habit someway else just as social.
4) Unhealthy population due to obesity, America has this tied up and it is one of the highest killer with the virus. Probably a product of affluence, liberty and where people are taught to appease their wants and live life by the day.
5) Climate; the worst countries by death per capita are in the same zone around the world.
6) Homelessness and drug abuse. These people get enough to live which they would probably die in others but are very vulnerable to disease and unhealthy.
7) Prescription drugs; instead of living healthy lifestyles the west relies on drugs to fix the problems which results in diabetes another other underlying medical condition of deaths.
Probably lots of other reasons I missed but look at all the underlying medical issues they state most of them are more prevalent in open societies.
I have noticed this also but I put it up to several factors:Have you noticed that the countries that have liberty, mobility and have long standing economies are currently fairing the worst?
1) Travel; Americans are affluent enough that they do lots of travelling for business and recreation. Example: when I visited my distant relatives in Scotland I was surprised they thought going on a drive 3 hrs away to another city was a once a decade experience. Travel and being social make for the transmission of the disease faster.
2) Older population such as Italy and western societies make for more deaths. For examples about ten years ago Russia’s average lifespan for men was 52, obviously what we know about the virus means lower number for them in that category per 100000 people.
3) It is harder for those people to change and just give up their freedom on lockdowns. Humans are creatures of habit. If your thing was going to the pub then you are likely to forfill that habit someway else just as social.
4) Unhealthy population due to obesity, America has this tied up and it is one of the highest killer with the virus. Probably a product of affluence, liberty and where people are taught to appease their wants and live life by the day.
5) Climate; the worst countries by death per capita are in the same zone around the world.
6) Homelessness and drug abuse. These people get enough to live which they would probably die in others but are very vulnerable to disease and unhealthy.
7) Prescription drugs; instead of living healthy lifestyles the west relies on drugs to fix the problems which results in diabetes another other underlying medical condition of deaths.
Probably lots of other reasons I missed but look at all the underlying medical issues they state most of them are more prevalent in open societies.
What goes around, comes around.
re: Covid-19
True for some. Education systems that don't provide everyone with critical thinking skills probably help snake oil salesmen stay in business.ME wrote:We're still lucky we can form our own opinions by watching "unannotated" and uncut briefings.
re: Covid-19
Daxwc, is there credible information that supports the above piece? Which "concerned western governments"? What "bombshell dossier"? Sounds like fake news.
re: Covid-19
I just put this idea out there for you to think about.
If we use a New York type antigen test; hopefully a self test rather that a lab test.
We would know who has had the infection and who has not.
The people who are negative test each week until they have it.
Each test result can be entered into a web site if they want; for the common good
or have a monetary prize for taking part.
When they do show positive they can take the RNA inhibitor for ten days.
This slows down the replication rate of the virus and gives the person a chance to
build up immunity.
Naturally a prize is the 10 days of this drug.
The Covid-19 virus present test is used after 2 week and weekly until
it shows negative.
To prevent sepsis use an inhibitor were the fever is prolonged.
Why we are not following this treatment could be lack of tests and drugs.
So only the critical care 1% are given the drugs.
Also the breakdown of the social separation as immune people will go back to
their old ways.
However receiving the treatment early should reduce deaths than the current
late mode we are using now.
Cheers
If we use a New York type antigen test; hopefully a self test rather that a lab test.
We would know who has had the infection and who has not.
The people who are negative test each week until they have it.
Each test result can be entered into a web site if they want; for the common good
or have a monetary prize for taking part.
When they do show positive they can take the RNA inhibitor for ten days.
This slows down the replication rate of the virus and gives the person a chance to
build up immunity.
Naturally a prize is the 10 days of this drug.
The Covid-19 virus present test is used after 2 week and weekly until
it shows negative.
To prevent sepsis use an inhibitor were the fever is prolonged.
Why we are not following this treatment could be lack of tests and drugs.
So only the critical care 1% are given the drugs.
Also the breakdown of the social separation as immune people will go back to
their old ways.
However receiving the treatment early should reduce deaths than the current
late mode we are using now.
Cheers
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
re: Covid-19
ovyyus:
Five EyesWhich "concerned western governments"?
Five Eyes'sWhat "bombshell dossier"?
It lays out both sides fairly evenly on what they know or don’t know. Unless of course if you don’t trust Australia’s intelligence community.Daxwc, is there credible information that supports the above piece?
A research dossier compiled by the so-called "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance states that China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak, leading to the loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world
The 15-page document from the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand, was obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph newspaper and states that China's secrecy amounted to an “assault on international transparency." Quote From Fox this morning.
What goes around, comes around.
re: Covid-19
Just two important words that are cross-depended.daxwc wrote:The two have absolutely nothing in common.ME wrote:I notice that liberty of the people seems to be proportional to the transparency of the government.
And that this transparency is proportional to the amount of responsibility they take.
To put it simply: In a land of liberty the governing system is a citizen-service. Also, those who govern are citizens too.
Sure things are never perfect, but in situations where N>>1 it's simply:
- Whenever one is not, then the other is neither.
Basically freedom, liberty, transparency and also news is all about verification.
It's like Science where things work for N >>1.
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Homologous protein domains in SARS-CoV-2 and measles, mumps and rubella viruses:
preliminary evidence that MMR vaccine might provide protection against COVID-19
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Data Availability: All data is is available
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Also, we already knew that China hid the outbreak and that we know thanks to the efforts of doctor Li Wenliang who unfortunately died.
The question for the Chinese room is if they purposely created a bio-weapon or injected some animal during their lunch-break just to see what would happen.. or that things happen to combine naturally -- yes that happens, it's called nature.
Marchello E.
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re: Covid-19
ME wrote:
In a dictatorship the government sometimes has no transparency but take all the responsibility, yet the people may have no liberty.I notice that liberty of the people seems to be proportional to the transparency of the government.
And that this transparency is proportional to the amount of responsibility they take.
What goes around, comes around.