MTs, WM2D, and WM Basic Language Script Code

[DrWhat]

Great videos, exactly what we need. Thanks

[Wubbly]

'The first prints using lampblack'; clear problems in the demonstrations and experiments, what was seen among various friends.

... 300 years later ...

The computer simulations; clear problems with cheating conservation of energy and momentum, what was seen among various friends, people who will never meet in person.

Thanks guys. You would think we have the advantage, being able to instantaneously communicate with people on the other side of the planet. But if you take all of our intelligence and add it up over the last several years, apparently one guy was smarter than all of us put together.

[Fletcher]

True said .. I still believe we can crack it wide open, and maybe build a better mousetrap ;7)

[Robinhood46]

The problem is that we all have the same intelligence, or very similar.
Fifteen Million tins of beans will not have any peas in them.

[Fletcher]

The problem is that we believe or at least are subconsciously heavily influenced by, every word that Bessler said about his wheels, whether we want to be or not.

He deliberately cooked a bean pea stew with no meat, to stick with the metaphor.

He muddied the waters so that we don't know up from down.

He fogged the mechanics and sent down a blizzard so we can't find our way home.

IOW's he cleverly indoctrinated us thru his writings and turned our keenness to understand them into NOT finding his mechanical solution. He left a Hansel and Gretel trail of bread crumbs that goes in a circle and never leaves the woods. Consigned to walk in circles for eternity.

We start with big disadvantages, the mind traps Bessler set, scientific education against us, social distractions on tap and easily accessible, for example.

The advantages we have are instant communication and sharing of ideas, large potential audience thru internet connection thus potentially more minds to bend to the task, technological advances such as sim programs and other things we take for granted in a modern world.

However do our modern advantages outweigh our post Bessler disadvantages ? Are we mentally prepared to be in the Red, Black, or neutrally advantaged ?

To be blunt we have Stockholm Syndrome (or should that be Kassel Syndrome) ;7)

Deprogramming and reboot is harder than you think :7)

[Robinhood46]

Deprogramming and rebooting is an excellent way of putting it.
What doesn't help, is that when we try, and explore variations of the accepted understanding, we not only have the task of trying to get our heads around the different ways of looking at things. We also have the additional difficulty of being constantly told that we are not allowed to question the current understanding of this or that aspect.
The only way to deprogramme and reboot is to establish what it is you actually know from your own understanding, and what it is you know from other's understanding and you simply agree with their logic, with their reasonning. Are we defending what we really know or what somebody else knows and we believe?
We have been taught not only the answers, but the questions, the methods to find the answers and the way to think about the methods.
If Bessler was not a fraud, which the majority of us here think is the case, then we must accept that thinking the right way can only give us the wrong answer. It is impossible. So why are members so often criticized for thinking wrongly when thinking wrongly is the only way of finding the right answer?

[ovyyus]

IMO, Bessler enthusiasts don't easily deprogram from a belief in mechanical PM. Belief in a mechanical PM, and what Bessler actually did, are probably two different things.

[Robinhood46]

I can only speak for myself, although i do think i'm not alone.
Pm is a belief for me, and i accept it as a belief, the same goes for Bessler not being a fraud.
Pm being impossible is a belief for many people and they accept it as a belief, because they are fully aware that they lack the knowledge to know that it is impossible.
Where things get difficult is when we discuss it with people who believe it is a fact, because they have been taught that it is a fact and they believe it.
Going through life not being able to decide one way or the other is a problem for some people, they feel the need to make a decision, so they choose which they want to believe. The fact that the majority believe that it being impossible is a fact certainly influences peoples thoughts.

[ME]

To deprogram or to be programmed... might be the question.
Yet simple leverage is still leverage and a pendulum still behaves like a pendulum - for arbitrary examples.

In my opinion it is a luxury to have basic physics as a toolbox And at the same time have the ability to doubt and test it ourselves.
We are already here because we question things. Yet because we question things, those things don't suddenly behave differently.
The luxury is that we can relative easily and quickly verify when we found something that does not behave as expected.
That makes it easy to pinpoint any loophole that might exist in the natural world that's not covered by Physics - yet many things are.

[johannesbender]

I dont think what we know about physics or mechanics is wrong , i think any mechanical device or physics action would be based on what we know , you cannot design something towards achieving something specific without knowing or somehow understanding its fundemental function or underlying principles beforehand.

i also dont think , a completed device with all these specificly designed mechanisms would break the laws , but just actually "constantly" adhere to them , it is the dynamicly constant changing where things go in to the grey.

I think Bessler did not lie nor attempted to mislead , i do think however that he actually was bold enough to state it exactly factual for everyone reading , but the readers just cannot grasp because they never saw or encoutered anything familier to what he was writing about.

[Wubbly]

MT012

Computer simulation of MT012.

This is nothing more than an MT009 with ramps added.

You can run this one at a higher angular velocity than the basic MT009 and the masses won't fling out on the ascending side.

At higher angular velocities it flings the masses out and up sooner on the descending side, but this still doesn't make it perpetual.


Youtube video here: https://youtu.be/xbEj4Xj07Fo

[Fletcher]

Nice to see it in action all the same Wubbly .. running out of superlatives for your simming and presentation prowess. Your new program really turns up the visual appeal factor - delightful, and educational.

Course, you have to know what you doing, which you do :7)

[Wubbly]

Thanks for the words of encouragement in this hobby of ... well... failures. Still holding onto that last string of hope that ...

however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.

[Fletcher]

Pisssszzzzt .. I hold that hope too. Tho I could do with less failures. It dents my confidence lol.

Seriously, a solution is in there for the subconscious and imagination to unravel, imo.

And that will only happen by putting in the time as you do Wubbly.

Familiarity may breed contempt but it might also pave the way for success. At least I believe it does.

[gravityman52]

Recently, I was allowed the privilege of watching a butterfly emerging from its coccoon, it was one of the most marvelous things I have ever seen!! After drying his wings off for a bit.......... he just flew off!! Now, if you are a believer in a GOD, and I am, then it is extremely difficult for me to believe that with all the exact perfection of this world that GOD did not give us a wormhole for us to find a way to provide all of our energy needs with the power of gravity. I keep coming back to a simple teeter totter and only have it touch the wheel on the rising side... period it is always the rising side that cancels out all my good work that is being done on the descending side