IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?

[Leafy]

Hi George1,

The first case described in your paper is similar to inelastic collision between two masses. Your equations on momentum and energy is correct.

The second case seems like perfect elastic collision between two masses. I know you have a zigzag path but I think it just collides back and forth within the zigzag segment then leave with the same velocity it entered. I could not find a case where the result would be as described in the paper. I will continue to look for exception though.

[George1]

We are preparing now a precise computer simulation and animation of the zigzag concept (half a zigzag only for an easier understanding). It will take some time. Please be patient.

[ME]

George, don't forget to record the velocities (before, after, during) of all objects.

[Leafy]

I think your setup may be special. Usually in perfect elastic collision the velocity of incoming equals the departing velocity if nothing going in the vertical direction. It looks like energy disappeared in your setup.

[Leafy]

I’ve just finished reading the entire thread. I’m really excited, especially about the money thing.

George1, I think you should forget about the zigzag concept. I don’t think it works in theory or practice. You assumed that the zigzags cause resistance as the blue mass goes through it. I don’t think there is any resistance going through the frictionless zigzags since the blue balls are massless and frictionless. As the blue mass move left entering the zigzag, the balls instantly move up or down the incline giving no retarding force. The blue mass would not decelerates.

Anyway, you seems like an honest person. Can I join your team? I do have an invention derived from real experiment performed. Just want to get it made for things in giggles.lol

[George1]

To ME.
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Thank you for your post.
1) Good recommendations! We will keep them in mind.
2) Our simulation/animation is under construction. It will take some time to prepare it in a precise manner.

[George1]

To Leafy.
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Thank you for your reply.
1) Well, because of many reasons I would not like to agree with your point of view, related to the zigzag concept. But it's OK, you are free to support your own opinion and no member of our team will be angry with you for this. Let us see what will be the results of the computer simulation.
2) You wrote:".....you seems like an honest person." Thank you very much for your kind words!
3) Yes, you are welcome to join our team. A few words about your invention?
4) I can't understand the last sentence of your post: "Just want to get it made for things in giggles.lol." What exactly do you mean actually? What is giggles.lol?

[Leafy]

Thank you for your reply George1.
1) I know you been on this concept for a while. Having it proved wrong is like hope shattering. But if the computer sim turn out that I am right would I qualify for the reward? After all, I pulled you guys out of the darkness of false hope.lol
3) there is an experiment well known on YouTube that is overunity. It just that many people don’t get it.
4) The actual phrase is “shits and giggles�. It means to do something for amusement.

I know you want to make a name for your team. I have an idea. Make a device and post it on YouTube for the free energy community to replicate. Don’t make it self run or it just cause more harm than good. Make it complex so they don’t figure out the concept. Hey, if it works do I get the second reward too? Hehe

[Tarsier79]

3) there is an experiment well known on YouTube that is overunity. It just that many people don’t get it.

Care to elaborate?

[Leafy]

Care to elaborate?

Not exactly. I’m trying to get George1 interest in my concept and machine. Besides, we came across it and you said it is nothing special. But, I’m up on vector drawing to explain it better.

[Tarsier79]

Besides, we came across it and you said it is nothing special.

All good. I trust my judgement. :) It may not always be right....

[Leafy]

Ok George1,

The experiment I refer to is this https://youtu.be/1pSYALWQ-nI

I have drawn a picture of the car with fan and all the forces involved. This is on earth with wind.

Ft = thrust force by the fan pushing the car right.
Fw = force by the wind pushing the car right.
Fd = drag force by the wind pushing the car left.
Ff = force of contact friction pushing the car left.
ma = resultant force which pushing the car right.

The wind push the car right. As it go right, the wheel turn the fan generating thrust. The faster it move, the more thrust it generates (and more drag). As you can see the vectors I drew, the drag and thrust force is always equals. When the car move faster, the two vectors gets longer but they ultimately cancel each other out. Wind and friction force is always the same, so the resultant acceleration always the same regardless of speed.

This means the higher the speed the more energy it generate while the wind input is constant. Theoretically there is no limit to how much energy it generates because there is no speed limit.

Input- low speed wind
Output - Force x velocity , pick any velocity

[George1]

To Leafy.
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Hi Leafy,
Congratulations for your device! A simple and clear theory supported by a real experiment! Good! Very good! And everything seems to be correct at first sight. Anyway give us some time to consider your concept a little more carefully. And ask some questions, if possible. For example, do you have some idea about a bigger device, let's say, with the sizes of a bicycle (or a little bigger)?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George

[George1]

Our zigzag concept simulation/animation is under construction. It will take some time to prepare it in a precise manner.

[Leafy]

To Leafy.
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Hi Leafy,
Congratulations for your device! A simple and clear theory supported by a real experiment! Good! Very good! And everything seems to be correct at first sight. Anyway give us some time to consider your concept a little more carefully. And ask some questions, if possible. For example, do you have some idea about a bigger device, let's say, with the sizes of a bicycle (or a little bigger)?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George

Thanks. Please consider this carefully with your team. I think this is irrefutable. We have the math and experiment to challenge and push the scientific community. In case you have no luck with the zigzags, this may even obtained you a Nobel.
Yes, I can give you a design of motor-generator type. But it is important that you are convinced with the concept.