A simple electric heater, which has efficiency greater than 1

[Leafy]

To Leafy.
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You are not reading carefully my posts.
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1) One of the basic axioms of electric engineering is given by the equality
A = I x I x R = B,
where
A = electric energy, which is consumed each second by the conductor
I = direct current, which flows through the conductor
R = Ohmic resistance of the conductor
B = Joule's heat, which is generated each second by the conductor
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2) Equality A = I x I x R = B is valid for any standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous).
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3) Equality A = I x I x R = B can be found in any electric engineering beginner's guide/manual/textbook.
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4) Please refer to any electric engineering beginner's guide/manual/textbook and see how A and B are calculated.
(Please do not force me to read you a lecture on basic axioms of electric engineering, dear colleague! You are a technology expert, aren't you?)

I don’t believe in the axiom or law of electrical engineer for this case.

[WaltzCee]

Leafy,
Don't doubt Georg Ohm, doubt this numbskll George1's understanding.

There is water at the bottom of the ocean

Don't doubt it.

What George1 wants is to take a dump and have someone wipe his arse for him.
The production of hydrogen is a multibillion dollar business. If George1 had any useful
idea, he would develop it.

Instead of that, he comes to a gravity forum and dumps his half baked idea
(which isn't even his) expecting others to buy it.

[WaltzCee]

To WaltzCee.
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Thank you for your reply.
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You wrote:"40 years they've been on to this and no practical use."
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1) Fisrtly, Prof. S. L. Srivastava (and his two Russian colleagues some 40 years ago) only solved a standard problem in a standard manner. We (our team) developed further Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solved problem in a non-standard manner. Our further non-standard development of Prof. S. L. Srivastava's solved problem led to efficiency > 1. Please read carefully one of our next posts, which has been published already many times here.
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You wrote:"We're just not buying it George."
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2) Secondly, I am not selling anything. Our water-splitting electrolysis OU concept is absolutely free. And as if this fact is more than evident. We need only public recognition.
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3) Our third technology breakthrough however is not free. Our third technology breakthrough is for sale.

Pedalling a perpetual motion scheme is fraud.

George1's threads should be moved to the fraud section.

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[Leafy]

I think George and I are old acquaintances back in the days of the Joule thief. I supposed the battery capacity tech is based on resonance. I hope the product is real so there is something to fall back on (I don’t have much hope on the zigzag or the DC heater).

[PeterAX]

To WaltzCee.
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1) If you cannot understand something, you declare it a fraud! Congratulations! You have a fantastic approach!
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2) You wrote: "Wrong answer. If you want to hire an engineer, go to indeed. If you want to be an engineer, read a book."
I suspect that you are not familiar with basic axioms of electric engineering. Otherwise you would not write these sentences. Because even the most skillful and the most qualified electric engineer in the world would not be able to guess in which box is hidden the solid conductor and in which box is hidden the liquid conductor.
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3) My next post is dedicated to some beginner's electric engineering theory and practice. Please read it carefully, if you like. (Not pressing, only suggesting.)

[PeterAX]

To Leafy, WaltzCee and all other members of this forum who are interested in the topic.
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Ok, let us start from the very beginning. Please read carefully and thoroughly the text below.
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1) Let us consider a standard SOLID conductor. This could be for example a standard copper wire.
1A) A standard SOLID conductor is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit.
1B) The circuit is equipped with a standard DC ammeter and with a standard DC ohmmeter.
1C) The ammeter registers a direct current, which is equal to 1A.
1D) The ohmmeter registers an Ohmic resistance, which is equal to 1Ohm.
1E) Each second the standard SOLID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
1F) Each second the standard SOLID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
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2) Let us consider a standard LIQUID conductor (a standard electrolyte). This could be for example a zinc or copper sulphate solution or a sodium chloride (NaCl) solution (ordinary salty water) or wharever electrolyte you want. There are hundreds of standard ordinary electrolytes (LIQUID conductors).
2A) A standard LIQUID conductor is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit.
2B) The circuit is equipped with a standard DC ammeter and with a standard DC ohmmeter.
2C) The ammeter registers a direct current, which is equal to 1A.
2D) The ohmmeter registers an Ohmic resistance, which is equal to 1Ohm.
2E) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
2F) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
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3) In one word, the above two items 1 and 2 are an illustration of one of the basic axioms of electric enginnering, which is given by the equality
A = I x I x R = B,
where
A = electric energy, which is consumed each second by the conductor
I = direct current, which flows through the conductor
R = Ohmic resistance of the conductor
B = Joule's heat, which is generated each second by the conductor
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4) Equality A = I x I x R = B is valid for any standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous).
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5) Equality A = I x I x R = B can be found in any electric engineering beginner's guide/manual/textbook.
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6) But if the above mentioned axiom of electric engineering is not correct, then it's OK! Let us start creating then a new revolutionary branch of electric engineering with another basic axioms.
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Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it? (But please ask questions, if any.)
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(to be continued)

[PeterAX]

To Leafy, WaltzCee and all other members of this forum who are interested in the topic.
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Ok, let us start from the very beginning. Please read carefully and thoroughly the text below.
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1) Let us consider a standard SOLID conductor. This could be for example a standard copper wire.
1A) A standard SOLID conductor is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit.
1B) The circuit is equipped with a standard DC ammeter and with a standard DC ohmmeter.
1C) The ammeter registers a direct current, which is equal to 1A.
1D) The ohmmeter registers an Ohmic resistance, which is equal to 1Ohm.
1E) Each second the standard SOLID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
1F) Each second the standard SOLID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
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2) Let us consider a standard LIQUID conductor (a standard electrolyte). This could be for example a zinc or copper sulphate solution or a sodium chloride (NaCl) solution (ordinary salty water) or wharever electrolyte you want. There are hundreds of standard ordinary electrolytes (LIQUID conductors).
2A) A standard LIQUID conductor is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit.
2B) The circuit is equipped with a standard DC ammeter and with a standard DC ohmmeter.
2C) The ammeter registers a direct current, which is equal to 1A.
2D) The ohmmeter registers an Ohmic resistance, which is equal to 1Ohm.
2E) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor consumes electric energy, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
2F) Each second the standard LIQUID conductor generates Joule's heat, which is equal to 1J, that is, (1A) x (1A) x (1Ohm) = 1J/s.
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3) In one word, the above two items 1 and 2 are an illustration of one of the basic axioms of electric enginnering, which is given by the equality
A = I x I x R = B,
where
A = electric energy, which is consumed each second by the conductor
I = direct current, which flows through the conductor
R = Ohmic resistance of the conductor
B = Joule's heat, which is generated each second by the conductor
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4) Equality A = I x I x R = B is valid for any standard conductor (no matter solid, liquid or gaseous).
-------------------------------------------------------
5) Equality A = I x I x R = B can be found in any electric engineering beginner's guide/manual/textbook.
-------------------------------------------------------
6) But if the above mentioned axiom of electric engineering is not correct, then it's OK! Let us start creating then a new revolutionary branch of electric engineering with another basic axioms.
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Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it? (But please ask questions, if any.)
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(to be continued)

[PeterAX]

Please excuse me, guys! Because of some reason my last post was doubled. It was not deliberately. I am really sorry!

[Leafy]

Everything is here, please take a look. We’ll do calculation on it.

https://youtu.be/odOkAxayads

[Tarsier79]

Using a new name, but still using the same flawed logic.

George, I have pressed your red button again.

It is funny you think you know electrical engineering, but I pity your ignorance.

[WaltzCee]

For it to really work, I think George1 needs to do this to himself.

[Leafy]

Alright, from the video we have initial conditions:

Temperature :23.2 degrees Celsius
Voltage. : 1.25 V
Current. : .25 A.

Final state at 1 minutes 30 seconds

Temperature: 21.5 degrees Celsius

This is all we need for the evaluation. We ran .3125 Watts for 90 seconds into the solution which equates to 28.125 Joules. What do we get? A temperature drop! This show that George theory is incorrect that heat is generate along with hydrogen production.

However, if one observed carefully. This is over unity. Can anyone see why?

[Tarsier79]

When I did my experiments, heat is generated. We did it in a coffee jar, generated about 2L of hydrogen (and other stuff). We used aluminium and a salt for the electrolyte. After a few minutes you could barely touch the jar.

[Leafy]

It’s also a fact that electrolysis is endothermic. That means it’ll absorb energy from the environment to make hydrogen. We can make a simple equation:

Electrical energy + environment heat = hydrogen energy

Rearrange the equation: Electrical energy = hydrogen energy - environmental heat

It means: electrical energy < hydrogen energy

Electrical energy = input ; hydrogen energy = output
Input < output

The reason the electrolyte heats up because hydrogen turn back into water and electrical current turn into heat instead.

[Tarsier79]

Electrolysis of water is an 'endothermic reaction'. During electrolysis, heat is given to the water which gets absorbed by water to give oxygen and hydrogen and so the reaction is an endothermic reaction.

EXPLANATION:

An endothermic reaction is the one that absorbs or uses heat from its surroundings. Water for electrolysis needs heat i.e. heat is absorbed and not given out which makes electrolysis an endothermic reaction. Endothermic reaction can be a chemical process or a physical process.

There are more reactions going on than just H20 to Hydrogen and Oxygen. There definitely was in my case, it may be one of those was causing the excess heat.

The endothermic reaction is just another nail in the coffin for Arrogant georges COP1.3 heater.