How to lift weights in 2021?

[Georg Künstler]

spinner361 wrote:

Es gibt keine Möglichkeit, dass ein Parallelogramm, das sich selbst kreuzt, keine Probleme haben wird. Haben Sie schon einmal ein Parallelogramm gebaut und damit gespielt?

There is a possibility, I have build such a construction. The Parallelogram is the basic of the construction.
It is the basic of Besslers connectedned principle.

The impact point on the downgoing side is at about 2 o'clock,
This impact point I havn't ever expected.

[spinner361]

@jonnynet: Yes, you understand what I mean.

[jonnynet]

Here is an example to avoid the problems in a parallelogram mechanics. You just need another pair of pivots that are not in line with the rest. Therefore never all pivots are in one line.

[Tarsier79]

Pretty sure that won't solve your problem. It still acts like it is in the original position.

[WaltzCee]

Phase shifting with a piece of stork bill?

[jonnynet]

Pretty sure that won't solve your problem. It still acts like it is in the original position.

I can only confirm it from simulations, but this way it works. For practical use, the offset should be increased significantly. Without this offset, the mechanics also fail in simulations. Not always, but often.

Phase shifting with a piece of stork bill?

Not sure what you mean by phase shifting...

[WaltzCee]

Is your drawing all structure or does some represent mass/weight?

I've seen this idea some where before.


Eta
It looks like this

[jonnynet]

It was all structure! Here is another, clearer example. There is sufficient stabilization of the parallelogram structure in every position.

[WaltzCee]

Your idea is more complex than I first imagined. It kind of looks like it morphed.

[jonnynet]

Trust me, it may look more complicated than it actually is. This is due to the structure itself, as I displayed it. There are better ways to do it and of course, you only need 2 weights to make this a prime mover. Instead of the turquoise-colored rods, imagine a triangular shape with a pivot point at each corner, and then a rod with a weight at the end of each one.

[jonnynet]

https://youtu.be/NoQNVgEWR4M

Here the same principle is implemented only a little bit differently. The green bar is driven by a motor and simulates the rotation of the wheel, as if the mechanism rotates with the wheel around the axis. The green bar therefore corresponds to the wheel drum. The red weight has the mass of the two black weights together. Just by turning slowly, the mechanism starts to swing quickly as soon as the red weight can push down. Through the black weights, which together always form a symmetry, the red weight can move inwards and outwards. This could drive the wheel, but I still can not manage to get a suitable synchronization. Nevertheless, there are numerous indications how simple a Bessler wheel could work. There is lots of potential.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Jonnynet,
you use the wrong way for the construction.

As I said it many times before, get rid of the central axle.

Your construction has not the overweight and overweighted function,
it does not use an impact.
It has no function drive the driver and it don't use a positive feedback loop.

To achive this you need a construction with two independent turning mechanism. One construction is disturbing the movement of the other.

Remember: http://www.kuenstler-energie.de/index.php?id=19

From eyewitness we know that the wheel was self accelerating.
But it does not accelerate unlimitless.
The speed was limited to the natural frequency.

This can only happen when we have a controlled speed difference between the inner and outer construction.

The first fall of the internal mechanism will drive the wheel.
Therefore the speed difference is high, because the fall is against the not turning outer wheel.

When the outer wheel will accelerate, the perturbation force is reduced, because the speed difference is reduced.

The perturbation force is reduced until the wheel is running with its natural frequency,

Such a construction for a Besslerwheel you cant build small because you need the speed difference between the inner and outer parts.
That was the reason why I had build a prototype of 2 Meter in diameter.

The synchronization of the swinging is happen automatically.

[jonnynet]

Hi Georg! My simulation I was showing lately does not include any central axle. It was meant to be a part of the whole. But yes, we assume different ways of how a Bessler wheel should work.