https://www.hydrogeneurope.eu/

[WaltzCee]

There are a couple of mis-filed threads on the forum that periodically float up from the
bottom like turds that refuse to flush. There's no doubt hydrogen is useful yet producing
it as a fuel isn't cost effective. Or is it? I stumbled across this site making amazing
claims:

• https://www.h2innovativelab.com/

These jokers are very polished turds, unlike the resident turds we have here. I shot an email
to secretariat@hydrogeneurope.eu. at
https://www.hydrogeneurope.eu/

Hello,

These people are making amazing claims. Are they real?
Thank you for your time.

Walt

When I get a response I'll post it.

[WaltzCee]

I sent another email in an attempt to get these boys a bit more publicity. If any one feels
the urge, do the same.

Sent this:

Hello Mr. Editor,

I stumbled across a site claiming astronomical efficiencies in the extraction of hydrogen from water.

https://www.h2innovativelab.com/

Since you're in the business of investigating these matters it seemed to me the right thing to do to give you this information.

If possible I'd appreciate it if you keep me posted with what you find out.

Thank you sir.

to editor@sciencedaily.com

This is practice. I'm pretty sure I know how to bring an idea to market. My idea, your idea,
doesn't matter to me.

[WaltzCee]

Just goofing off and stumbled over someone that has more sense than I could ever hope
to have:

• Julia Fahrenkamp-Uppenbrink
  Deputy Editor, Insights
  Education: Intermediate Diploma in Chemistry, Free University of Berlin; Ph.D., University of Cambridge
  Areas of responsibility: Perspectives in physical sciences and ecology, chemistry, climate, science policy, history of science

Doctor Julia, the chemist.
Bet she knows about electrolysis.
I have her email.

[WaltzCee]

I've spent some time bouncing around h2's site. They seem pretty real. They've had
David Hendrick bouncing around the world lining up buyers.

https://nz.linkedin.com/in/hendrick-at-h2il

• Technology Specialist & Presenter at H2 Innovation Lab
  H2 Innovation Lab (H2IL)
  Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand. 500+ connections

As a technology presenter for H2IL, I have one of the most interesting and productive job
one could imagine. Working alongside the inventors scientists and developers of a unique
and revolutionary self-sustaining energy based technology is truely rewarding.

Guess they don't need my help.

[WaltzCee]

They have a few patents around the world also
https://efb57059-64d2-41d8-8817-a7381ed ... 6ac183.pdf

They're well funded.

At this point Bessler's wheel is probably academic.
I pulled this off their site. Doesn't take a PhD to understand it.

[Fletcher]

I live in Auckland and I've never heard of him or them. That may not be unusual.

I read the news releases etc and it says they are owned by an Auckland NZ parent company that wishes to remain anonymous due to possible disruptive technology concerns.

They have a contact P.O.Box in South Auckland at a suburb called Papakura which I know quite well. Papakura is right beside the industrial and commercial suburb of East Tamaki. And that is where a large exporting company called Fisher an Paykel research center and H.O. is located. They have a well known and large R&D budget and world wide reach and leading position mainly into the medical field of nebulizers (electronically controlled) etc into over 70 countries. They started out producing white-ware in NZ and in 2018 were bought by Chinese company Haier. It will be them that is referred to. Watched a doco which featured them, only a few days ago.

https://www.h2innovativelab.com/about​

Who Is H2IL: 'H2 Innovation Lab' (H2IL) is a subsidiary R&D branch of a manufacturing and exporting company based in Auckland New Zealand. Since 1996 the parent company had successfully patented and exported specialized electronic analytical equipment into 71 major countries. Receiving product and leadership awards, hosting international seminars and popular presence at trade shows throughout the world. Since 1980 this innovative research and development company have been dedicated to providing solutions to many technical challenges.

[Fletcher]

Unfortunately I can't find a free video of Nigel Latta's "the hard stuff" series doco called "selling ourselves short".

https://online.clickview.co.nz/exchange ... lves-short

Nigel is a respected psychologist and commentator in NZ and in this program looks at why NZ isn't maximising value adding to make it a true high wage economy. A large part was about the F&P complex and R&D facility in East Tamaki which employs about 3000 local staff IIRC. And their exporting of nebulizers and other 'medical and technology based' products to a raft of countries.

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I think I'll put a feeler out to a friend of mine who was a CEO (and engineer) in a large energy company here in NZ and see if he has heard of David Hendrick and this outfit. It is still his interest and he has his ear to the ground on most things.

[Fletcher]

Just had a phone call. He hasn't heard of this rooster or the outfit. Tho he is quick to say they could exist and be keeping a low profile in South Auckland.

But then says there are a lot of potential scam schemes. Either raising awareness for an IPO or investment etc, and buyer beware. Why are they hitting the press now with Haier behind them ?

His last comment was it looked like producing Hydrogen for nothing akin to PM lol.

He suggested for things like this and Covid Vax info etc try searching Google Scholar which he says is a better source of documentation and reliable facts in his opinion.

[WaltzCee]

Thanks Fletcher.
Boots on the ground down under.
It is beginning to look like The Sting.

I looked at a video of Nigel's, blowing up things. He's funny.

I'm guessing h2il is looking for billions.

[Georg Künstler]

on the webpage
https://www.h2innovativelab.com/report-1712
you can see the following

Then with the rapid increase the electrolyte loss was too great to sustain as it poured into the bubbler

So it is not self sustaining.

I have worked on a project called flow electrolysis. This is used to normally create an other product during the flow of by a plate capacitor.
energy input = energy output, so no gain.

But there is an interesting effect when you use instead DC AC.
So the water is splitted in a resonance case and build more HHO as the normal splitting from water to H2 and O2.

have a look to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_M ... _fuel_cell

HHO is not the same as H2 O2, the energy input to create HHO is less than the energy input so separate water to H2 and O2.

A flame produced with HHO will reach about 6000 degrees, so it is much hotter than the burning flame of gasoline.

The efficiency of an HHO flame is thus much higher than with a gasoline combustion.

The interesting part is behind the explosion of HHO.
After the explosion there is following an implosion.
The implosion will reduce the volume by the factor 1000.
This is better than in any known high tech motor where whe have a compression 1:10 or 1:18, here we have 1000:1
A reverse process.
A dangerous process for the material if not handled properly.

[WaltzCee]

Georg,

The 2 points of this thread have nothing to do with electrolysis.

• 1) get out of the endless loop of making claims
  2) don't be a fraud

Fraudsters destroy the credibility of the entire community honestly looking for answers.

Then there's the endless loop of making unsubstantiated claims. Why? Substantiate the
claim. If you lack some ability, ask. There are people all around the world willing to help.

[WaltzCee]

I did it!!!
I am now officially a student!!!
I have a student's email.
Next, my student copy of WM2D.

I'll be studying one legged native American dance. :)

[WaltzCee]

I think I have figured out H2IV. When they say it's simple they're not kidding. They are
scamming when they calculate efficiencies.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi WaltzCee,

if you offer some help and
if you have your licence then you can make some simple experiments for me because I don't have a WM2D.

The basic experiment is to build an undamped mechanical oscillator.

The basic for this build you can find under
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonanzfrequenz
There is also an english version of it but the German version explains more about the undamped oscillation.

in the german version you can find the following.

Beispiele für ungedämpfte Systeme
Resonanzfrequenzen treten in Systemen mit mindestens zwei verschiedenartigen Energiespeichern auf. Bei einfachen (theoretischen) Systemen ohne Dämpfung ist die Resonanzfrequenz gleich der ungedämpften Eigenfrequenz (Kennfrequenz) {\displaystyle f_{0}}f_{0}. Bei gedämpften Systemen ist die Frequenz bei der die maximale Amplitude auftritt stets kleiner als die ungedämpfte Eigenfrequenz.

In einem LC-Schwingkreis gilt die thomsonsche Schwingungsgleichung
{\displaystyle f_{0}={\frac {1}{2\pi {\sqrt {LC}}}}} f_0 = \frac{1}{2 \pi \sqrt{L C}}
wobei {\displaystyle L}L für die Induktivität der Spule und {\displaystyle C}C für die Kapazität des Kondensators stehen. Dabei wandelt sich die Feldenergie des Kondensators periodisch in die magnetische Energie der Spule um.
Eine Feder der Härte {\displaystyle D}D und ein Massenstück {\displaystyle m}m bilden ein mechanisches Schwingungssystem der Eigenfrequenz
{\displaystyle f_{0}={\frac {1}{2\pi }}{\sqrt {\frac {D}{m}}}}f_0 = \frac{1}{2 \pi} \sqrt{\frac{D}{m}}
Ein Fadenpendel der Länge {\displaystyle l}l führt unter Einfluss der Schwerebeschleunigung {\displaystyle g}g Schwingungen der Frequenz
{\displaystyle f_{0}={\frac {1}{2\pi }}\cdot {\sqrt {\frac {g}{l}}}}f_0 = \frac{1}{2\pi} \cdot \sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}
aus.

The interesting point is the "FADENPENDEL" Thread pendulum.

If you need more information let me know.

I am not outside of the known physics with my knowledge.
It is only used different.

So if you really interested to solve Bessler's riddle, then you have to pass this gate.
oscillation, resonance increase, natural frequency to generate an undamped oscillation

[WaltzCee]

The basic experiment is to build an undamped mechanical oscillator.

I've modeled this Georg, some what. Like a kid being pushed on a swing.

When I drove the SIM to about 300 rpm on a 3 foot disc the amplitude compressed
yet the pendulum still pendulumed to a lower undampened state. Kind of like electrons
changing energy levels. What I learned was centrifugal force could be factored out of
the calculus. I call it LSAM.

I thought of it as prime mover but the mechanics began to get too complicated so I
moved on. I want to model what I think of as a worm hole technique. Picture this.
Out of no where a massive body appears in the sky streaking by earth for 5 or 10
minutes then disappears. That might just remove the earth from its very foundation.

Some time today I expect to order WM2D.

ETA:
I have a student account and an email handle yet the email account isn't set up. The help
desk is open but the geeks are out getting high. I left a msg.

ETA2:
Help desk called back. I have to actually enroll in a class before they activate the email.
Maybe tomorrow.